Drivers go through intersections because they are on cell phones.

I love Big Brother stuff. I say put them at EVERY light. If you are not doing anything wrong, why wouldn't you want Big Brother watching?

No they don't, they go through because everyone feels they can't be bothered with having to wait 2 minutes at a light. I can't wait until they put one in at Andover and Rt. 130, all our taxes will go down since that intersection averages about 4 people per cycle running the red light.

I think Committewoman Fitzpatrick's comment about fatalities not be taken into consideration kind of supports the idea that number one priority is not safety. I hope the committe will be available for questions if we start to get a number of tickets due to faulty timers/short yellows similar to those reported in other towns.
I wonder how many rear end collissions occur at these intersections with red light cameras because of people jamming breaks at a yellow. I sometimes find myself trying to stop at yellows on 130 only to speed up and go through as it appears the car behind me will not be able to stop.

These cameras are just the northern version of the infamous southern good old boy cop hiding behind a road sign and just waiting to nab an out of state motorist driving by.
Let’s be real. If Cinnaminson township officials were really concerned about stopping traffic fatalities they would be asking our police to ticket cell phone drivers who are an everyday hazard on Rt. 130 - especially since they also love to tailgate. No one but an idiot can argue that it is a good thing to be holding a cell phone and driving at the same time. If the township were truly concerned with safety, we would have more members in our police force and far less township schemes such as cars for undeserving officials who live several counties away.
Kathy Fitzpatrick is wrong. This is just another way to raise lots of revenue for both the township and the camera installer ATS. By the way, 12th out of 36 is not, by any definition, high on a list unless you are salesman Charles Callari, with ATS and waiting for a very handsome commission.
For my critics: I have never gotten a ticket for going through a red light or even a stop sign.

The reality is that there was life before red light ticketing cameras. The generation above me, and the generation above them did just fine. Just because a technology is available doesn't mean we have to spend tax payer's dollars to buy a controversial technology. Less government in this scenario is my preference -- I prefer not to give more of my rights away to big brother. It's just not necessary here.

it's not a win/win at all. i don't think a driver's behavior has changed that much in the past 10 years with regards to driving through traffic lights. it's just a way to squeeze money out of people through the use of cameras. it's really taking the 'community' feel out of living somewhere -- more like a minority report community. I hate to see it when someone (and they will) get a ticket for going through a quick yellow to red event, which happens to all of us. most officers would probably understand -- not the camera. why do you want to live in a society that is so dehumanizing and faceless? we've lived before cameras on traffic lights, and there can still be life without cameras. why don't we focus our time and money to making our education system better, or better yet, achieving better economic development on rt. 130. this is an unnecessary use of our resources. getting lost in the weeds (controversially) and not seeing the big picture for what the township should be focusing on. my opinion.

I am all for it,I leave for work at 4AM and use the light a 130 and Highland,if I see a car or truck coming I wait a little longer no one stops for that light in the early morning.

If you are terribly concerned about the cameras I would highly suggest you stop running red lights. I for one am happy to be collecting revenue for our township from all of those people who speed through Cinnaminson everyday.

Here is a simple thought ppl. Don’t run red lights and you won’t have a problem!

why don't we just put camera's in all of our cars - right by the speedometer. when we all go 1mph over the speed limit, which the vast majority do, we can all get tickets. let's spend all our money on enforcing regulations to the max (which the vast majority of us already obey) as opposed to putting our time and money into education and big idea items. i thought cinnaminson wanted a community that was friendly and livable? sorry, i'm just looking at all of this as a late 29 year old outsider who graduated from chs and hasn't moved back.

Were any of you present at the meeting with the mayor when he heard a presentation from the company that is trying to install these cameras? He said, "This will increase revenue in our town."

Hopefully after a ticket or two repeat offenders will think before sliding through the light.

Technology is ok when it works, but it also has its flaws. Take for example the road sensors at red lights. We spend thousands of dollars to install them, but they are either disabled or malfunction. A motorcyclist will get stuck at a red light because the sensors are not capable of picking motorcycles up. So what is the option? Look both ways and when clear go! The same can be said about these cameras. Two sides to every story.

Our Gloucester Township Patch site has covered red-light cameras extensively. A couple of interesting articles - the town pulled in $2.5 million in revenue over about 18 months and most of the offenders were local.

http://gloucestertownship.patch.com/topics/Red-Light+Cameras

As a claims adjuster for the last 27 yrs, I can tell you that people run red lights all the time, and will continue to run red lights even with the cameras there. I handled tons of claims for red lights way before the cell phone even came out. The cameras at lights don't seem to matter in my line of business. PPL will continue to run red lights. This is due to being distracted by all kinds of things while driving, in a hurry to get no where, lack of sleep and the excuses go on. Interesting enough the DUI laws are the strictest that they have ever been, yet the DUI claims that i see weekly have increased dramatically. The difference between a police officer issuing a ticket and a camera issuing a ticket are the points on your license that you get from an officer. You don't get points with the camera. The cameras as I see them are strictly for revenue and nothing else. I don't see them as a deterrant. The points, the increased insurance cost, the state surcharges from tickets issued by an officer and license suspension are a huge deterrant.

oh yea, that will put people on the side streets and make traffic worse for all the kids and residents that live there....way to go people...put a police man at andover and willow and give tickets out for not STOPPING....talk about income getters thats one....

Come on, we have to pay for all the new township cars somehow, ,,And I dont mean police cars, Just another sort of tax for living in NJ.

.Everyone seems to be so excited that the township will get extra revenue (over time after the camera capital and maintenance contracts are paid) - but again I ask about the method. Where do you draw the line in the attempt to generate revenue and enforce regulations? Should we also put cameras on streets to make sure we all cross the streets within the crosswalks? Move an inch out and you get a ticket? the reality is that almost everyone breaks laws eveyday - like going over the speed limit by a mile or two. Should this be strictly monitored too - could get extra revenue for going a mph over the speed limit? Makes it seem like a unfriendly place to live, contrary to 'life time resident's' viewpoint. Also, I don't know the legal ramifications of this, as I am not a lawyer. If someone else is driving my car and its flagged by the camera (perhaps for sliding through a yellow/red event), do I get the ticket? Is this fair? How accurately can the camera determine who is driving the carr? Why not have the people vote on this? If the community wants it, then so be it? If not, then this is not the type of thing the community wants in there backyard. Seems like local government is about representing the wants of the people about the type of community they want to live in....

Add both locations to our map of red light cameras in New Jersey http://www.photoenforced.com/new-jersey.html

I've never run a red light, but I've received a ticket in the mail for my bumper sticking slightly over the crosswalk when I stopped a red light on the Boulevard. I could have fought it in traffic court, but it would have cost me more money to take time off from work, I just hope that Cinnaminson is fair. If a red light camera snaps a picture of someone who works for the township or is related. .. will they receive a ticket in the mail?

This just another way to raise revenue in our town? What about the manpower it will take? Does any committee member take into consideration who issue the tickets, this can only be done by an officer. This is a tedious job looking at footage of perpetrators and matching corresponding information. Who foots the bill on this? Now we are down another officer off the street! How can this be good for Cinnaminson?

By the way, has anyone seen this article? Read it and then talk to me....
http://www.alternet.org/story/155751/how_police_and_traffic_light_companies_are_conspiring_to_give_you_more_tickets

Its a waste of time to complain about the cameras, the township will put them in and we will live with it just like we do now when our public works dept says they will come the first full week and show up early and when we put stuff out they will issue summons for early time for the homeowner....No one wins, the tax bills were late, we give cars to people who get paid and who pays the homeowners....Did you ever want to know why we have so many empty houses, the taxes are way over the price of the house in the market place, no one wants to buy a house now....oh well I will still sit in my front yard and count the number of speeders on willow all day long.....no one cares where is our radar and the police, do not know.....

Funny you say that John, I am a Realtor and took out clients this weekend and they were absolutely dead set against looking in Cinnaminson. Cinnaminson has really made a name for it self and by their body language not in a good way. It is very alarming all the empty houses in the area, this is the worst I've ever seen in all my years.

It has always been the law that a Police Officer (or private citizen) must be able to identify a driver when signing a traffic complaint. The only exception, where the registered owner may be assumed to be the driver, is passing a School Bus with the red lights on. If you receive a summons from a camera, you do not get points on your license and the fine is reduced. If you are the registered owner, you are the one who gets the summons. Therefore, if you have several people that drive your car, YOU are the one who must take the day off and go to court. One would be very surprised of the income that these cameras can bring to a township. It is surely unconstitutional, but hey, the money is great.

According to the Courier Post: "the Department of Transportation reports that because of red light cameras that rear-end crashes have risen by 20 percent and total crashes are up by 0.9 percent at intersections where cameras have operated for at least a year."
"Assemblyman Declan O’Scanlon, R-Monmouth, who wants the cameras removed. He called the program “a dismal failure,” saying DOT statistics show the net costs of accidents had climbed by more than $1 million at intersections with cameras.
“Any rational person reading this document would conclude that the program has failed and it’s time to pack it in,” O’Scanlon said. “What we are doing is making people paranoid — causing them to slam on the brakes at the slightest hint a light might change, or deciding to fail to make even an absolutely safe right turn on red,” he said."
http://www.courierpostonline.com/article/20121127/NEWS01/311270020/Drivers-adapt-red-light-cameras?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

IT'S a TAX That is it. The cops are tax collectors , Read your history, 1775 is a hint.