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Mayor Young Wants to Tackle Flooding Issues

Flooding issues near the Delaware River and Pompeston Creek have been a major township concern.

 

 

Mayor Ben Young said a goal of his for 2013 is to continue public works’ projects already started, namely tackling the major flooding issues in East Riverton near Kern Street and Zeisner Avenue.

“We’re trying to improve conditions,” said Young, who was appointed as Cinnaminson’s newest mayor at Monday’s reorganization meeting.

Young and public works’ officials think new sluice gates—slated for installation soon—should help alleviate flooding conditions.

Hundreds of households in the East Riverton section of the township are affected by flooding conditions—and it’s not just during major events like Hurricanes Irene and Sandy; it’s also during normal rainstorms.

By the end of this month, Young said, state engineers should visit the area to give input.

“I’ve been working solidly with the DEP (Department of Environmental Protection), DOT (Department of Transportation) and the Army Corps of Engineers for the last year,” Young said.

Public works is also looking into using some engineering money that’s been set aside for a pumping system, the mayor said.

There are a few other areas around town that experience major flooding—such as the areas of Jefferson and Calhoun streets behind Palmyra Moravian Church, and Cuthbert Road and Fairfax Drive near Extension Park.

“In today’s world,” Young admitted, “those properties would not be occupied.”

What Young means is that years ago, houses were built in certain areas with no regard to flooding problems.

“With the exemption of the Glenview section,” Young said, “the construction that occurred on Fairfax, those properties pre-existed the town really having any formal master plan or understanding of drainage.”

Unfortunately, Young said, there’s no real solution for the area.

But that doesn’t mean he won’t work hard to try to help some of the issues.

“Even the work I’m suggesting we try to do in the Zeisner area—,” he said, “I told people I can’t eliminate flooding but I can try to help alleviate those drainage problems.”

Officials from the Army Corps of Engineers are slated to visit Cinnaminson before the end of this month to clean the Riverside basin.

Stay with Patch for more on this.

Related Topics: Cinnaminson Department of Public Works, Delaware River, East Riverton, Mayor Ben Young, Pompeston Creek, and flooding issues

agent itchy

11:41 am on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

we have paved too many pieces of land. Where the Cinnaminson Harbor development sits used to absorb much of the storm water. Now it's mostly paved and the water is seeking another path.

seems like every time somebody seeks to "create jobs" they want to grab land and pave it over. Hey Twp planers, how 'bout a retention pond near the area of trouble. Perhaps ajacient to the Harbor

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Joe

5:09 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

There is actually a natural pond area near that problem area. When they started the development the area was sealed off at the end of the roadway with mounds of dirt and debris so water could not "flow' to the pond area. I think it was "Engineers" who did it. LOL

Barb Rivera

11:49 am on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Our property is located at Calhoun & Adams St. We moved here June of 2003, have lived through 7 MAJOR floods since. When I say MAJOR I am talking about water filling up our entire crawl space and entire first floor. There have been many smaller floods in between that yes they are a nuisance but we have adjusted our living through them. The MAJOR flooding has cost us over $20,000 EACH and 2 floods in 2011 destroyed over $100,000 of our home. FEMA has put our home in a Severe Repetitive Loss category. The township has had many opportunities to apply for Grants to help out homeowners but have not pushed the issue. To this day my question of if the township has a Repetitive Loss Ordinance has gone UNANSWERED! I can go on and on.. Please contact me and I will fill you in on this tiresome task that seems to be going nowhere.

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Ray Budden

1:13 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

I am at the corner of Calhoun and Jefferson. Each Flood that comes in carries a $5,000 deductible for me. 2010 cost me $10,000. 2011 cost me only $3,600 so I guess I should consider myself fortunate. The hardest part for me is the dishonesty. I was never told it was a flood zone until the day before settlement and it wasn't by my Real Estate Agent, I heard it from my insurance company that it was a Federal Flood Zone and I needed to carry $900 a year in insurance premiums. We never know when we will get water, that recent flood when we had almost no rain left me thankful I never removed my sandbags because they saved my hide on that one. The Township, the State, and the Federal Government should put their collective heads together and either buy us all out and send us packing, make our neighborhood Open Space or fix the problems. As a bonus by the way, someone should tell Mayor Young that the mosquitos make being outside in the neighborhood nearly impossible ... water = mosquitos. If anyone thinks the last comment is a minor complaint, come visit me this summer, I will give you some beverages of choice and you can stand out on my deck or hang in my hot tub, let me know how many times you get bit in a couple of hours.

dajoepa75

11:50 am on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

This is definitely a priority for those homeowners affected by the constant flooding. I passed by a house behind the Hallmark recently after last bad storm. Their parked suv had water almost to the bottom of door. Being flooded year after year, these homeowners need a break and assistance.

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Ray Budden

12:13 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

The home behind the Hallmark is the other side of Calhoun and Jefferson. She had two of her vehicles damaged and took on water in her house.

John

11:50 am on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Good Luck with that one, its all about profits, they worry about the other stuff later on when they are gone....The people who buy the stuff are stuck with the delemn....

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Barb Rivera

11:59 am on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Yes... That flood came out of nowhere Friday Dec 21st. Not even 2 inches of rain the night prior caused MAJOR flooding. We purchased our son a car for Grauduation, he had it for a few months and it was deemed a total loss. Thankfully we have full coverage but deductibles constantly add up. This area of flooding was supposed to be addressed BEFORE the Shoppes at Cinnaminson went up. That did NOT happen, the development Hadley the flooding worse.

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Leisa Wajda

2:32 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

My mother lives on N. Pompess and floods continuously with little to no help from the township. She has lost more than I can even detail. She has a double lot from Canal Street which backs up to the creek and her home is on N, Pompess and the flooding usually covers her entire property and fills her basement, ruining hot water heaters, her heating system and is destroying the foundation of her home. SHe had a 4 foot pool that had river water go over the top, the entire contents of her garage and basement ruined and a yard that is basically useless because it is constantly under water. On the night of the 21st of December she was thankfully alerted by a neighbor in the middle of the night or both of her cars would have been destroyed when the flood waters came rushing in without warning. I do not see any mention of this area and was curious as to what if anything will be done for this neighborhood? It is an absolute disgrace-

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Barb Rivera

3:14 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Ray.. We are right along with you. Our disclosure was filled out by the prior owners son in law that lives in CA. No warming that we would live through flooding. We did NOT sign up for this! Flood insurance started at $901 and now is over $3000 per year. We lived in a hotel for 11 weeks from flooding in 2011. Dogs were in kennels..paying for the hotel & still paying a mortgage was NOT easy. And for the people that think flood insurance is like homeowners insurance.. You are WRONG! Flood insurance takes your $$ but hardly pays anything out! We have spent well over $100,000 out of our pockets not being reimbursed by insurance.

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tom s

4:24 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

the reasons for the flooding are obviously overdevelopment and global warming so get used to it...they should have never been allowed to build the new cinnaminson harbor on land that was wetlands....many people objected to that but the almighty dollar won....the big sign out front of cinnaminson harbor tells you who to blame

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Barb Rivera

7:59 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Tom S^ My home is nowhere near Cinnaminson Harbour and I don't live along the Creek either. This home was built in the 50's. Something needs to be done and it needs to be done NOW!

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Cindy Pierson

5:20 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

The flooding of the Pompeston in the past couple of years is a direct result of the development upstream. While it's great that Ben wants to work on the flooding near Zeisner and Kern - which, by the way, is Belleview, not East Riverton - anything done there will have absolutely no effect on what's happening closer to the creek. The pictures I'm posting are from 12/21 - I could have paddled to the light rail station but my daughter couldn't follow to take pictures, so I turned around at the railroad tracks.

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Leisa Wajda

7:59 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

If this problem was in one of the higher income areas of Cinnaminson it would be handled far differently I'm sure! Most of the people on N Pompess are forty plus year residents and while flooding has always been an issue it was not until the building of Cinnaminson Harbor that life has become unbearable for these people. How can anyone be expected to live like this and how can they even consider selling their homes when the constant flooding makes their homes literally impossible to sell!

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Linda Seymour

8:29 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

I live 1 block over from Leisa's mom on N Randolph. I have been here 33 years & NEVER had water in my basement until Cinnaminson Harbour was built. Now the whole neighborhood has sump pumps going. East Riverton seems to be the forgotten neighborhood.

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John

9:13 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Its hard to read what people are saying but the problem is politics always wins out....I feel sorry for all of U who have lost alot....how do we change it....thats hard when we have people saying things like we need more fields, snow makers and new schools....I guess sometime in the future something will change....good luck

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Barb Rivera

11:31 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Thank you John^ I truly enjoy reading your comments, I am like you I don't sugarcoat anything. My next step is hiring a attorney, maybe then we will see results. My husband has redone our home so many times and he is exhausted. We have installed hardwood flooring 5x in 9 years. We have replaced our heating & air multiple times...2x alone in 2011. I can go on & on and I really want the new Mayor to visit my home. I have stacks and stacks of pics from every flood. And like someone stated above, flooding makes your home a hard sale. So I ask why do we pay real estate taxes equal to a home not in a flood zone?

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Maury

11:35 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Barb-that's awful you're having so many flooding issues. However you are saying you want the township to help you. Are you saying that you've called the township and called the mayor and no one has returned any phone calls or have come to help you?

john b

12:13 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

east riverton has been forgotten about because it should have never been made a priority of cinnaminson in the first place...EAST RIVERTON not EAST CINNAMINSON... maybe riverton should take care of their problems and not raise problems for cinnaminson...we shouldn't be held responsible for the section 8 section of cinnaminson which should never have been an area of cinnaminson

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Craig

7:06 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

@John-how long have YOU lived here? How long have YOU been in the area? I was born in Riverside, grew up in Palmyra, then moved to EAST RIVERTON (BELLEVIEW), as this section of CINNAMINSON has been called that 60 years! I can tell that YOU were raised with a silver spoon in your....mouth! Perhaps you should go back to whatever butler appointed mansion you came from.

Michele Murphy

12:13 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

My parents also live on Pompess and NEVER had a water problem until those new townhouses and condo were built. It is truely appaling that the residents that live in these areas have to deal with the clean up at time weekely. Something really needs to be done and someone should take responsibility.

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Barb Rivera

12:13 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

Exactly what I am saying Maury. I have not reached out to the Mayor but have been through everyone else. Many townships have a repetitive loss in their floor ordinance. If we had this we would be able to get $30,000 from our flood insurance carrier to help towards raising our home. Without repetitive loss you have to have 1 flood that damages more than 50% of the value of your home. With repetitive loss it can be 2 floods within a certain amount of time. We had a MAJOR flood April 2011... Over $50,000 in damages. Flood insurance pays approx 65% we are stuck with the rest. Plus we had to live elsewhere and flood does not pay a cent for that. Well by mid July we finished with repairs. Then Aug 27th came Hurricane Irene, here we go again...$57,000 in damages. Hotel living, dogs in kennels..etc We have lost so much $$... There were many floods prior but I am just using 2011 as a example.
Other towns also reverse the values of their real estate taxes. They put majority of the value on the land and the lesser amount on the home. Therefore it's easy to reach that amount of $$ in 1 loss.
All the township does it put out cones and barricades...so far that has been their solution. There are a few newer homes in my area..approx 6 yrs old, well their entire yard floods. The builder should of NEVER been allowed to build here. It's a HUGE mess!

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Maury

12:49 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

Barb I'm just trying to understand your situation. You keep saying you want the township to get involved but who have you talked to at the township? Not the mayor then who? I would love to know who at the township is not being responsive to you. I think we would all like to know! If this has been going on for years, who at the township has been aiding you?

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John

1:28 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

@Barb, this is little help for U and the problems in that area, I guess when the homes were built there were politics involved with the building in that area....Its very easy to say we do not know anything about it and put up the cones and barricades till the water goes away....that does nothing till the next storm....I only wish that I could give U an answer instead of asking if U have asked the mayor....Do not know how the assessor puts a value on the house when he does not take into account the market conditions of the property.....I guess he is going to get 200,000 dollars to appeal the assessments, do not know....good luck and hope U get answers....

Ric

12:13 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

Those people who are dealing with the constant flooding have my sympathy. During heavy rains I am lucky; I only get about an inch or two of water in my basement and that is because the thick clay at my property makes drainage poor.
For those people whose homes are constantly being flooded, I am trying to understand what you think needs to be done. Ray Budden suggested that either the Township, the State, or Federal Government should buy you out. Tearing your homes down is a pretty drastic solution. Are other solutions? And what would you like the township to do? Is there state or federal grant money out there that can be used to help you?
I hope a solution to your problem will be forthcoming.

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Ray Budden

12:43 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

Hi Ric, it sounds drastic but it really isn't. FEMA is federal insurance money. Instead of writing us checks twice a year (minimum it seems) for what will be the rest of our lives, it is cheaper to buy us out. When does it become cost effective? After you have paid for our homes twice over? If the Feds don't want to buy us out then fix the flooding. It isn't the creek swelling up over the banks that takes us out, that water starts forming on Calhoun Street. Turn the 50 by 75 foot lot next to Barb into a huge retention basin and let the water flow in there and fill it up, give us a fighting chance. Fix the drainage. As tax payers certainly we deserve consideration. The Township allowed us to purchase our houses and we in turn pay our taxes. In return I would like to not have to fill sand bags any more than the people living on Villanger, Shenandoah, or Riverton Road have to do which would be never. I am trying to acquire the lot next to me, if I get it I don't think it is too far fetched to see me rent a backhoe for $500 and dig a huge hole to save myself aggravation. This issue and the mosquitos are real hot buttons on Calhoun near Jefferson and Adams. After Irene I was able to canoe around my backyard and I could have taken my kayak out to visit Barb by paddling around the block. Someone needs to step up and fix the issue or get us out, the current conditions aren't right. My sympathies to the other areas mentioned with flooding, you deserve help as well.

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Ric

3:31 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

Ray, I certainly wish you well. Please excuse me if I say something wrong because I am not familiar with your area. I live off of Devon Road. Unfortunately the houses that are in my neighborhood which have the Pompeston Creek running in their backyards will occasionally get flooded.
For this Patch story, I had trouble placing where the flooding was occurring. I now realize it is just you and Barb Rivera that live in the same neighborhood which is behind the HallMark. While Leisa Wajda and Linda Seymore live in a different neighborhood which is near Cinnaminson Harbour. Is there not a dry area in this town? I guess I should be happy with my inch or two in the basement.
Ray, from what direction is your flooding coming from? Is it coming from the creek, Rt. 130, or the Shoppes. If it is coming not from the creek, could not the township install piping that would take the water and just pour it into the creek?

Barb Rivera

2:12 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

Township Construction Office, Zoning, township attorney, township accountant.. Etc. They are ALL aware! There is Federal money, State money.. Etc. The township officials are suppose to work with their tax paying citizens and apply for such grants and funding to raise these properties, move their homes and YES buy them out! It happened in many towns in North Jersey after Hurricane Irene.

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Barb Rivera

3:35 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

Ray.. Let me know.. We would be happy to dredge out that area. Although we will still be fighting the Mosquito thing! We all need to come together and bombard a township meeting demanding answers and some sort of method to move forward.

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Maury

6:49 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

I'm very surprised you or others in that area haven't gone to a township meeting yet. People can ignore your phone calls but they can't when you are face to face.

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John

8:35 pm on Sunday, January 13, 2013

@Maury, I think if you read all the comments some people have shown up at the meetings and still the turtles put there heads away....so what good is it.....

Barb Rivera

3:48 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

Ric... The water is coming from the creek about 2 blocks away. It's actually a run off area that after the years dirt has accumulated leaving NO basin to hold water. Public works cuts the grass every other month or so and puts out the cones when its flooded. They are ALL well aware with what we have been living through.

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John

6:39 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

@Barb, it sounds like U have been dealing with turtles....they only want your tax money and to heck with solving the problem....I am really sorry about that....U can see that people above ask U about it but what do they think U are telling a lie....I have been asking questions and I get the same third degree....I do not have a water problem thou....I am really sorry....hope it works out for U

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Maury

6:49 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

John-you have been asking questions to the township and no one has responded either? What are your questions and who have you tried to contact? I am very interested in all of this.

Barb Rivera

6:43 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

Our real estate taxes should not be equal to a home that doesn't require flood insurance. Also construction codes such as height of exterior electrical outlets. Everytime it floods there goes the electric to our pool and outside lighting. I would really think twice before canoeing around during a flood, you may come in contact with live electric.

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Cindy Pierson

2:54 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

@john b- I shouldn't bother responding to you, but I have to - How dare you look down your nose at us in East Riverton! Section 8 indeed - people like you are a big part of the problem. Why don't you come and visit us in East Riverton, and we'll give you a tour and a history lesson - bring boots. Perhaps you want to send the people from Rolling Greens and Fountain Farms and Wellington to other towns as well, since they have names that designate their neighborhoods as well (which is all the East Riverton name is, a geographic designation for a neighborhood!) And by the way, it is Cinnaminson that uses Riverton's zip code, not the other way around.Get your info straight before you start posting nasty, rude comments about where people live.

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Cindy Pierson

2:57 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

I attend most of the township committee meetings, and have something to say at every single one. I think that a part of why we're getting at least a little attention is because I've been a bit of a thorn in the collective paw of the committee. I know its hard for many people to come to the meetings, but it would certainly make a difference to have more people there besides me

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Taken a Breather

7:31 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

The creek overflows on FAIRFAX DRIVE all the time. Floods basements, closes roads and cause unsanitary conditions. The pictures of 126 Fairfax show the flooding that destroys the basement and heater, etc. Then a block away, there's the sewer plant area. What a mess! Maybe we should work on fixing the area that flood before we spend time and resources trying to develop new areas of the town.

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Barb Rivera

9:27 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

^^^ I agree with you 100% . I don't encourage anyone to purchase a home in Cinnaminson. I never will until the township steps up and gives its tax payers a solution to this HUGE Flooding issue.

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John

12:35 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013

@Barb, I would tend to agree with U, why do you see alot of vacant bank owner properties in this city....now they are going to try and get the industrial area better so that more business can come into town....thats just a way of increasing there tax ratables.....There was an article about over 100 people protesting there assessments b/c they are between 30,000 and 50,000 dollars over the market price of the property....there solution to spend 200,000 to fight the assessments....I believe we have a part time assessor thats only there for 2 days but he goes to other towns as there assessor....I would like to know how we now need schools when in our budget there was no account for replacement of said buildings, building do not cave in, oh well....I hope U get some response and help with the flooding, hope he is not an engineer...

Barb Rivera

5:37 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013

Ray.. Just saw a West Nile case on The Doctors.. This township needs to spray our area because if I or any of my family catches this because the township is lazy & cheap.., there will be a Huge lawsuit on their hands. If you look out your window you will see flooding occurring already and it hasn't even rained 1/10 th of a inch.

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t d

12:20 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

How far down zeisner ave do flood waters go, i was looking at a 555 zeisner and now may be changing my mind after hearing about the fooding issues

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Barb Rivera

5:47 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

t d ^ I would RUN! Even if the water doesn't reach that point YET, it soon will. The township isn't willing to spend ONE penny to help alleviate Flooding!

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