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Scofflaws, Beware: Cinnaminson Code Crackdown Coming

Officials plan to target code violators with increase enforcement efforts. But who should lead efforts? And how much will it cost?

 

 

Brush left curbside for weeks. Trashcans languishing in the road for days. Waist-high grass and inoperable clunkers parked on neighborhood streets. Township committee members have seen it all around Cinnaminson and they’re ready to take a hard line against such code violations.

Soon it may be possible for neighbors to more easily report violations as well, helping identify and squash minor issues before they became major neighborhood headaches. Questions remain though: Who should oversee code enforcement? Will a reporting system (and, presumably, annoyed neighbors) overwhelm township employees? How much will a reporting system cost?

While code enforcement isn’t the most exciting undertaking, Cinnaminson officials say it will help protect the town’s property values.

“I think it’s really important,” Committeewoman Kathy Fitzpatrick. “I don’t want to be heavy-handed in our approach, but I certainly feel like it’s important that our code enforcement officer address the problems … so that we can maintain our image as a good family community.

“It all ties together. If someone maintains their property, it might encourage their neighbors to maintain their property.”

It’s time for Cinnaminson to crack down, agreed Committeeman Ben Young, who works closely with public works and has led efforts to get residents in compliance with brush rules. Committee members said brush and leaf violations are perhaps the most common complaint they receive.

“(Residents) have had 18 months of education. We’re going to start writing tickets,” Young said. “We’ve been nice, we’ve been cooperative … and if there are situations when a discussion will fix a problem, we should do that. But there are times when a discussion doesn’t work.”

Needed: manager and ground troops

Property maintenance issues have swelled as the economy has dropped, leading to more vacant homes and more code violations, Deputy Mayor Anthony Minniti noted.

Code violations are already ticking up and will continue to with more focus on enforcement. Any reporting system that allows online complaints could create a glut of investigations for the township to undertake. So, committee needs to figure out how to best handle code enforcements.

Committee discussed that at its Nov. 12 meeting as part of a set of recommendations on streamlining township functions. Township administrator Frank Locantore recommended committee designate a single person in charge of overseeing all code violations, from investigating initial reports to testifying at court cases to the conclusion.

Currently, zoning officer John Marshall also handles code enforcement, a change made when his position converted to full-time. Committee needs to decide whether Marshall should manage code enforcement oversight or whether to hire a dedicated part-time enforcement officer and revert the zoning officer to part-time as well.

Either way, Locantore said, “I would recommend that all code enforcement activities flow through one person. … You have one person following through with noticing, following through with court, making sure that the case has been heard and the problems addressed.” It avoids a mixed message, he added.

Cinnaminson also needs to train its entire workforce, especially employees out and about in town during the day, to recognize and report violations, Minniti said.

“By making that part of the culture of what they do, it’s a huge step forward,” he said.

Finding a reporting mechanism

No matter who is in charge or reporting problems, Cinnaminson doesn’t have the capacity to follow through on increased code enforcement right now, Committeeman John Rooney said. The town’s pen-and-paper approach to logging violations isn’t efficient or detailed enough, he added.

“We don’t have the infrastructure,” Rooney said. “A software solution enables the hybrid solution to work. The hybrid solution is that we want all employees to look for (violations) but we want to give them a vehicle to easily report it, so it’s a manageable work flow.”

Reporting software runs from free (but not recommended, Rooney said) programs installed on the town’s website to a $10,000 per year system. Committee directed Locantore to investigate options for consider at a future meeting.

Are you itching to report a code violations in your neighborhood? Tell us in the comments. And don’t forget to follow Patch on Facebook and Twitter.

Related Topics: Anthony Minniti, Ben Young, Cinnaminson Department of Public Works, Cinnaminson Township committee, Cinnaminson brush, Cinnaminson code enforcement, John Rooney, and Kathy FItzpatrick

FbS

6:37 am on Friday, November 16, 2012

Great! This is a long time coming. I have seen brush left out all winter after the last pick up. Like 5 months just sitting in the street waiting for the next pick up.

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dajoepa75

8:05 am on Friday, November 16, 2012

Do you own a colored t.v.?

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Eric

1:43 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012

Do you just agree with everything the township comittee says? Stickler

Phil

7:17 am on Friday, November 16, 2012

The brush hasn't been left curbside for weeks. The brush was put out after Hurricane Sandy based off communication from the Mayor the township would be around to collect. They haven't been. Anyone getting a fine for what's been put out should fight it tooth and nail.

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dajoepa75

8:09 am on Friday, November 16, 2012

Phil, you're right. We left our broken tree limbs In yard after Sandy as our pickup wasnt for a couple of Weeks. When we heard they would pick up Sandy related brush we took them down. Still there. Hopefully this is the exception to the enforcement.

judie

8:19 am on Friday, November 16, 2012

I hate the junk cars parked on the street. I'm sure the registration isn't up to date nor are they insured.

FRAN HORN

8:32 am on Friday, November 16, 2012

Wouldn't it be easier to go out and pick up the brush and trees?

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Bruce

8:40 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012

Exactly....the manpower used to WRITE TICKETS should first be used to CLEAN UP the storm refuse...Once that mission is completed, if you are not plowing snow, come on out and write up all those evil leaf pilers. LOL

Douglas Sell, Jr.

8:37 am on Friday, November 16, 2012

Public Works needs to start with something that would be very simple; have weekend hours for the Public Works facility so residents can drop their leaves and branches off if their local pick up isn't within a week of putting their waste curbside. Public access on Wednesdays from 7:30AM to 2:00PM? That doesn't cut it. We need Saturday hours either every weekend or every other weekend.

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dajoepa75

9:18 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012

I think many residents would be happy to take their own brush and leaves up to the public works facility to make sure they are gone by the end of the year and off the streets. The leaf pick up period is not long enough so if it means taking them up directly to the facility then allow public access on the weekends for residents to do their own work.

Ric

9:10 am on Friday, November 16, 2012

In my neighborhood there are a couple people who leave trash and recycling cans on the curb days after the pickup. (Or kept out in the front yard - I hope doing that is against code. It seems a shame to drive through a nicely kept neighborhood and come across someone who keeps their trash and recycling cans out front for all to see).
My concerns are: according to the Burlington County Times Fred Turek "will oversee the planning, zoning, construction and code enforcement offices." Mr. Turek said he would be able to devote two days a week to this position and not affect his public work's duties. What I would like the township to disclose is costs in addition to $10,000 for software. Mr. Turek will of course need a raise for his increased duties. We will also have to pay for the code enforcement officer - a part-timer or making permanent Mr. Marshall from part time to full time status. What about other cost? How much will legal counsel cost us? What about the cost of First Municipal Assistance? And what other cost do we face. After that a car only cost $2500 a year, I am a bit apprehensive that our township will be upfront with the cost. We need to know: will this stepped up enforcement cost more than the revenues taken in? If it won't than the township needs to find ways to adjust costs.
I like that the township is taking imitative but the voters want fiscal conservatives. Let’s make sure we are getting the best bang for our bucks. Tell us the true cost and true revenue.

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Ric

11:08 am on Friday, November 16, 2012

Thanks Nancy. I must admit I am beyond befuddled trying to understand the economics of all the recent personnel changes after the resignation of Gary Seneski who held both the administrator and chief financial officer positions. He was replaced by Frank Locantore as the township’s new administrator and Dawn Emmons, the township’s new chief financial officer. According to Patch in an August report “the township will save money on salaries. Seneski was slated to make $127,500 with benefits this year. Locantore’s pay will be $95,000 but Brauckmann said he is on his wife’s insurance plan. Emmons' post is part-time and she is making $25,000 with no benefits.” So the net effect was supposed to be a savings of $7500.
Not even two months later the township wants Fred Turek to “oversee the planning, zoning, construction and code enforcement offices" for two days a week. I would think that job would be Loantore’s responsibility. I am not even again going to detail the cost I cited above about John Marshall, First Municipal or the rest of it.
Trying to follow what is going on is like listening to Abbott and Costello discussing “Who is on First?” I just want to see proof of fiscal conservatism.

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John

12:09 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012

@Ric, what is the problem about having the cans in the front yard....its on there property and who made U the boss of complaining....Having a pick up and not doing it on time from the public works dept is the problem....people will just put it out and they have a week before there pick up week to do it....not everyone has the time to do it and then they get issues warnings from the public works dept....right now I see leaves that have fallen in the streets and its not the homeowners doing its the wind....so how do U justify issuing summons for this....get real....I am more worried about the speeders who go over 25 on willow, andover new albany and the other streets, where is the radar thats supposed to be used....PROPERTY values are over the actually prices today therefore the township has been getting more cash than they are supposed to get....ASSESSED ON MARKET VALUES is the key and we do not do that, oh well complain all U want but its life here....lets advertise on the school buses is another joke....who gets the added money the schools not the taxpayers....have a great day

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Bruce

8:47 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012

Of course the costs will be higher than the revenue!....you don't think you are going to MAKE MONEY siting code violators do you?...People are moving from Cinnaminson as they reach retirement age because they simply can't afford the taxes...and it's going to get much worse ..real soon.

Jackie

9:46 am on Friday, November 16, 2012

We have lived here for 12 years. Until March of 2012, the Public Works annual leaf & brush collection pamphlet schedule did not match their actions. They usually came as scheduled; but they brought the equipment for collection of both leaves & brush - irrespective of the published guidelines. This got us in the habit of putting out brush in a separate pile from the leaves when it seemed logical to do so.
That was until we were cited with a warning in March about having our brush out at the wrong time. The truth is, according to the pamphlet, we did. But the notice was a wake-up call for me, and I had other questions about whether hedge trimmings were considered as "brush" or should I have bagged them for the trash. I called and left 7 polite messages at Public Works and no one ever called me back.
Several months later, I had cans of old house paint to recycle and I called Public Works again to make an appointment. Someone answered the phone this time and told me to come on Wednesday between 7:30 and 2:30. I said Wednesdays weren't good for me, and asked if I could I make an appointment like their webpage says. The PW employee told me 'your appointment is Wednesday between 7:30 and 2:30.' I wound up taking the stuff to the county facility.

Public Works should be accessible to their public, especially when all we are trying to do be compliant. Picking up the phone to answer questions POLITELY or opening their facility one weekend day per month would be a great help.

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Louis

7:27 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012

That is a fantastic suggestion. Public Works is anything but helpful. I moved here from Pennsauken and was very surprised by the "friendliness" at the Public Works office of Cinnaminson. When I had a problem in Pennsauken I called the head of PW, a few hours later he was at my house solving the problem himself! When I moved here I didn't have a yellow can for plastic. I guess the old tenant took it or got rid of it. When I went to the PW of Cinnaminson and told them I just moved in they looked at me like I was trying to scam them out of a yellow can. I wrote an email to the head of PW in Cinnaminson. I was sent a price list of the blue and yellow cans. Yup, very helpful and friendly folks at PW Cinnaminson.

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Bruce

8:54 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012

How about this: We get a refund on our taxes every time the township fails to show up on the dates they promised?...If it's fair to fine us for setting it out on the wrong day....well....fair's fair...what goes around comes around....Let's make THEM accountable! ;-D

Fran

9:52 am on Friday, November 16, 2012

I too got a call from the township saying that they would be making two pickups per month, it has been weeks noe, and the curb ay my house is FULL the entire length of my property. I just called the township to find out when the collection would be, and the guy on the phone told me "the last week of the month" (my regular schedule) when I told him about the call i recieved, he told me "that's not what the call said" , I then asked about a special pick up because of how much I have, I was flat out told NO you'll have to call a contractor. I'd like to know who to call next, because I think its rediculous, they aren't picking it up, but are now going to site people.Typical Cinnaminson.

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Bruce

8:57 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012

There's your tax dollars hard at work! Busting YOUR chops rather than doing their jobs.

tomas

9:58 am on Friday, November 16, 2012

Perfect timing! it's not like we just had a hurricane and a noreaster just roll through or anything....

concernedandworried

10:00 am on Friday, November 16, 2012

I will fight the leaves and brush violations in court and retain legal counsel if it comes to that.
I live near the golf course and we never seem to have pick up. Glad we have security cameras that will show the days when the leaves and pick up occur.
The township needs to stick to their schedule before they get ticket happy.

The township needs to enforce their own policy with public works before they pass violations. They need to lead by example. The current schedule is nonsense.

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Nancy VanTwistern

1:30 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012

Have to admit that 'things' are not as they were when we first moved here...which was about 14 yrs. ago or so.........at my age it's getting hard to figure how 'fast time goes'.........in some places I have to drive on the wrong side of the street to avoid the leaf piles as don't want to drive through them. This tells me something but am not sure what..........

Jennifer

10:04 am on Friday, November 16, 2012

Agreed. One weekend day per month would be GREAT. Those hours do not work for many families. Also, I have, in the past, had some issues with not getting return calls after leaving messages.

concernedandworried

10:07 am on Friday, November 16, 2012

Can't the elected officials just do their job and have public works do their job?
That's all we want. They need to stick to the schedule. Country club section has not been picked up yet this year. When my leaf pile blocks the main road then maybe they will get the job done. Who monitors their job? Why in cinnaminson is no one held accountable?

Simple answer "let's ticket"
Do your job!!

concernedandworried

10:08 am on Friday, November 16, 2012

Can't the elected officials just do their job and have public works do their job?
That's all we want. They need to stick to the schedule. Country club section has not been picked up yet this year. When my leaf pile blocks the main road then maybe they will get the job done. Who monitors their job? Why in cinnaminson is no one held accountable?

Simple answer "let's ticket"
Do your job!!
I do mine and pay my taxes and play by the rules!!

FbS

10:36 am on Friday, November 16, 2012

I can verify that all the brush and leaves have always been picked up in my neighborhood on time and on schedule. Never any issues besides the people putting out the waste at the wrong time.

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John

1:53 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012

@Frank, I guess U live in a castle....or U have someone in politics where U live....its a wonder that U have no problems like the rest of CT...enjoy the day....

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Eric

2:47 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012

I love how you defend the township comittee no matter what like they could never do anything wrong but then defame and slander your own neighbors. I'd love to see what you'd do if the township wrote you a property citation whether you'd still defend them or not. Not all of us live in la la land or shangri la like you so pull your head out of your behind.

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FbS

8:24 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012

That would never happen Eric. I know how to follow the rules.. :) My grass is always cut, trash cans up same day, no brush or leaves out at the wrong time, Its simple really. Ya have respect and follow for the rules and you will never get in trouble

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Eric

9:31 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012

I love how you say oh that would never happen like you're invincible or something. I also find it ironic that EVERYONE else who commented on this article said that the township does not come around at the scheduled times to clean up leaves and brush and then turns around and fines people for having leaves and brush out on the curb. Everyone except you who not only disagrees and claims that the township comes out when they're supposed to but then slams your own neighbors saying that they put brush and leaves at the wrong time. It's a wonder how your neighbors don't hate you by now. I seriously wonder what your neighbors think of you when you make comments like that. I bet you think the township does a great job plowing the streets too since you're so delusional and are too stupid to realize that the streets look just as bad as before the township plowed them.

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dajoepa75

9:42 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012

Eric, some people are fine with the way things are as long as they get theirs. It's not their concern if others do follow the rules but don't receive the same benefits. Their reasoning is you don't get the same service because you're not a good citizen. They can't see past their own needs. Fortunately, not every one is just for themselves. Others care if their neighbors are not receiving the same quality of service even if they are. It's a social failing, hooray for me the heck with you.

Maureen

12:07 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012

I have one thing to say...unless this town wants to be locked up in legal proceedings for the next few years INCREASING our tax liability, then they better get the code guidelines clear internally and then send out a pamphlet to every resident to hold responsibility to read! As far as I can tell, things are changing with the wind, and THAT puts this town at legal risk. After the Sanitation Dept OOPS, council better focus on consistent and clear communication or THEY can pay the legal costs if the cases are lost!

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Bull Pitt

2:32 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012

Right on Maureen! That's exactly what they SHOULD do. However, your last sentence says it all. "Legal Costs"! Parker/McCay will surely make a small fortune.
And who do you think approves the enforcement and codes? John "I won an ethics award" Gillespie. Good luck Cinnaminson. It's time for those campaign contributions to pay off.

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Silvia

4:18 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012

Parker and McCay....for a code violation in municipal court? Wouldn’t that be the township prosecutor who get paid regardless, not the solicitor? Would figure a person with your professional background know this Bull. Nice try!

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Bull Pitt

12:32 am on Saturday, November 17, 2012

"Approves" them Sylvia, not prosecute them. All Ordinances go through the Solicitor for "approval". And we aren't talking about fighting the Ordinances in Court, we're talking about lawsuits.

Mark

12:23 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012

Frank, take your head out of the committees back ends please. I don't think anyone truly believes your life is that black and white.

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FbS

8:26 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012

It is mark... I don't have any alliance to anyone in power, I just tell the truth. I be careful doing what is expected to be a good neighbor. :)

Dan Griffy

12:55 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012

Right on Township! It's time for the WT's to clean up their act! Hooptys' all over the road and brush left curbside for years on end. Let's fine everyone! - 4 more years of the highest taxes of all time! Nice votes!

Christina Paciolla

2:02 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012

Watch the language Patchers! Comments will profanity will be promptly deleted. Repeat offenders will have their accounts shut down. Feel free to repost your comments free of swear words.

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John

2:41 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012

@Christina, yes people can say things without making profanity....I have noticed at times people walking there pets and there pets do there business on the lawn and do not clean it up.....I walk every day and I think its wrong for people to do that but not a comment is made about it but the leaves and lawns are different....do not get that oh well what can I say....have a good day...

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marlowe5227

6:30 pm on Saturday, November 17, 2012

Patchers,
Any comment with false or misleading information will be deleted. If not, they're gone. Any problems? Email me at christina.paciolla@patch.com.

Long time resident

3:16 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012

Leaf Collection. My problem with the leaf collection schedule is that it starts to early. Many leaves have not even fallen yet. Leaf pick up is in the month of November/December. Many of the trees in my yard still have most of their leaves on them now. My neighborhood's week is the first week of the month when basically in the beginning of November the leaves have not fallen. I believe the township should extend the months for leaf pick to at least February.

gary haberle

3:45 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012

I have lived in cinnaminson for 27 years in the summer they picked up trash twice a week . now they collect leaves before they fall off of the trees! the zoning officer should start by cleaning his own property up like the giant wood pile out back that tends to draw rodents. only recently he put up a fence so you can see it!

gary haberle

4:08 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012

the house next to mine has been vacant for 4 years and it has taken that long to have it cleaned up . I have complained to the township and also the county board of health and the bank of america 4 years of complaining ! $10,000 for new software lol. they reacessed our houses and they are not worth what we have to pay in taxes what a joke. they should cut our taxes but delran and moorestown housing did not go down in value.

Silvia

4:21 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012

SERIOUSLY People! The leave and brush schedule they posted is very accurate and they are not fining anybody if people follow it. They sent directions home with your tax bills, post notices on their website and fb site, and announce it at their meetings, what more do you want? Brush collection is done this month but they still collect leaves also, leaves only next month. It isn’t that hard to follow if you pay attention. Mine was picked up last week as they said it would be! Thank you Public Works!

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FbS

8:28 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012

Amen Sylvia. I guess some people find it hard to follow the rules..?

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dajoepa75

9:05 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012

Frank, you really need to read what your neighbors are saying. Others do follow the rules, put their brush, leaves out on the correct days, in the correct period. They are not always picked up in a timely fashion. This was discussed the beginning of the year in prior articles. So what do you say to those who follow the rules (you're not alone in being a good citizen) but are not as fortunate as your section to have consistent and timely pickups (and I'm not talking Hurricane Irene). Unless you are insinuating that those here who are complaining are liars. You're not saying that about other residents are you Frank?

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dajoepa75

9:09 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012

Or maybe Frank, you are only concerned about you and that you're taken care of properly. If that's the case, it's a very selfish way of viewing life. I'm fine, who cares about others. Save yourself money and get a black and white tv. A color tv is lost on you.

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noyb

7:01 pm on Saturday, November 17, 2012

the problem here is the threats made about not following the "rules". I have personally been working 16 hr shifts since the storm. I was off last saturday so i could go to a friends wedding. Today was my first day not working from storm related issues, so today I did my leaves. they are out front ready to be picked up unfortunately I missed the pick up last week I was just a tad busy. Now I have to hear about the fines im going to get for putting them out at the wrong date and how ugly it looks. At least I have enough pride in my property to clean it up. I say hand out my fine and they can watch me never pay it. Sue me. I'd rather rent a dump truck and fill it with my leaves, then dump the entire thing in the middle of the parking lot of the municipal building. BTW, John Marshal is a %@$%@&#@! always has been and will be until the day he dies.

Jenn

4:35 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012

Public works doing their job means using municipal property ( ie bulldozers) for personal use and using township assets to perform work for other customers in the county.

Wasnt that a cinnaminson leaf truck i saw collecting leaves in moorestown last week?

Mj

6:45 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012

Leaf & branch pick up? Is that the most serious problem in this town? I live next door to Sanford & Son. They pick up everyon's trash and put it in their backyard, which happens to face 3 windows in my house. If I wanted to sell my house I couldn't. Twp & police have been there numerous times and nothing has changed in years. Time for more than a slap on the wrist. ANGRY IN CINNAMINSON

noyb

6:45 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012

Its not always perfect. My pick up is supposed to be second week. Of course that means saturday morning at 9 am they ripped thru woth a front end loaded picking up the brush. unfortunately I didnt get out last weekend to put my brush out I had a wedding so now I must wait till next month. Leaves are just a mess in this town. You cant clean these up with a front end loader the street looks worse now than it did with the piles. I lived in Maple Shade for a few years and Cinnaminson could learn a thing or 2 from those guys. It didnt matter when I put my leaves/brish out they came around every week with a chipper and a giant leaf sucking truck. left the curb spotless and clear! Cinnaminson busted my curb with the front end loader and left the street a mess. I guess you get what you pay for. I will be putting my leaves out whenever I have the time to do it, dont worry I will put the citation on top of the pile so you dont forget to pick that garbage up too.

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Joe

7:16 am on Saturday, November 17, 2012

yup...one year they ripped my paperbox out with their grabber.

Bill O'Connor

8:07 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012

First let me say the Public Works department has done the best job possible following a massive storm. Kudos, to Ben Young, Fred Turek and Fred Rodi (Supervisor) and the workers doing the clean-up effort. The PW can't be everywhere at once. However, the initial message I heard was put your brush to the curb. That was followed a few days later by in your appropriate week. Many people acted on the first message with their property clean-up. I know my neighbor and myself cut up and put out our elderly neighbors storm damage. There has to be some leeway here until the storm damage brush is removed. Overall, I agree with the Committee. We need to curb the issues now. This is probably one of the few areas where Mr. Minniti and I agreed when I served on the Committee. There needs to be a sense of responsibility and accountability on the part of the homeowner. Otherwise, property values can and will continue drop in our community. Ric, John Marshall is currently a full time Zoning officer along with some Economic Development responsibilities that he once had as part of his job duties.

Christina Paciolla

12:21 am on Saturday, November 17, 2012

Just as an FYI John Marshall is not, nor ever has he ever been, a full time zoning officer. He does not and has never had any authority or role in economic development. This information is from a committeeman I spoke to this week.

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Vic

12:38 pm on Saturday, November 17, 2012

John Marshall has been working for this township almost before you were born Christina. He was also working for this Township before Tony, Ben, Kathy, Don or John were ever on Committee. Whoever this "committeeman" is that you talked to, (and everyone knows they have it in for John Marshall) has no idea what John Marshall's role has been in Economic Development before they were even involved in township business, so for you to say "he has never had any role" is unjustified and with a total lack of investigation. You can print a comment like that based on one "committeeman's" claim?? That's investigating? I'll bet that John Marshall would have a little to say about that. You can bet that someone who has been in that building longer than almost anyone else there, surely had some "role" in the Economic Development of this town. And depending on what you actually mean by "authority", I would not believe that either. It surprises me that you report and says things in print and take it for fact because one "committeeman" said it's true. Now, instead of defending your post, why don't you first check into the facts, or ask John Marshall himself, then reply. I could be wrong, but I surely would never print something as fact when it came from one "committeeman".

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Ric

1:23 pm on Saturday, November 17, 2012

@Vic. I am glad to know I am not the only one who thought John Marshall was being made a scapegoat. I hope he stays in. And I agree with you that it would be great to hear what Mr. Marshall's has to say in addition to the thoughts of that unnamed committeeman.
For the life of me I do not understand why we needed the very expensive services of First Jersey Municipal Assistance. It seems to me that they are a bunch of guys being paid more government money on top of their fat government pensions. Maybe the answers the committee-people were looking for could have come from our talented in-house staff. Or perhaps the answers could come from our accounting firm who in the course of their various municipal audits would have observed how the various townships handle these responsibilities.

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Bill O'Connor

1:23 pm on Saturday, November 17, 2012

Christina with all due respect to you, Mr. Marshall, myself, former Committeeman Kollar and even Mr Minniti have met, greeted, and discussed perspective development projects along Rt. 130. Most times when I had these site meetings Mr. Marshall was clearly involved or he has a twin brother.To clarify, I am not senile YET nor do lie. It was when I was on Committee that Mr Marshall went from a part time zoning officer to full time with the added responsibility of Economic Development. That is how we justified moving him from a part time status to a full time status. Please if I post on here and you have an issue with my post, you can call me for clarification of my comments before you respond. Please go look at the 2001 and 2002 meeting minutes to clarify Mr. Marshall's status.

Inspector Gadget

7:06 am on Saturday, November 17, 2012

Wow, nice reporting and investigating Christina! Very impressive...

Joe

7:12 am on Saturday, November 17, 2012

So, Cinnaminson wants to charge people who don't follow the code. How about when the Public works does not do their job, like plowing curb to curb ( supposed to) in the winter months. They come down the middle of the road and just move on. No cars parked on the street. Homeowner is left with mounds of snow 5 feet out from the curb to shovel. Its just not right. This after calling public works and asking them if they will be back. They tell you yes, but never do. Maybe this year I will send you my bill for doing your job.

John Doe

9:52 am on Saturday, November 17, 2012

People spend All day raking leaves and piling curbside for the township to scoop them up with a backhoe? Wth? They make more of a mess spreading them around and leaving leaves behind to delay proper drainage. C'mon where's the money going? Even broke Willingboro has a vac truck. Who ever thought using a backhoe to collect leaves is an idiot! Restructure this whole pw debt.

newshound

10:09 am on Saturday, November 17, 2012

it always is, and always will be about the townships revenue..bottom line - in what way can the township enforce the rules to bring in more money?..and those who think because they "follow the rules" they will never get caught up with some violation of something then they are delusional or connected- an officer once told me that if he wanted to find something to give me a ticket for then he could..what a great feeling of security.."following the rules" ?? - i like to believe i do - but obviously there are rules on the books that i dont know exist...and obviously some individuals who can work their way around them..

dajoepa75

10:50 am on Saturday, November 17, 2012

Our brush and leaf collection date is the third Monday of the month. The trucks are in front of our house now picking up the "Sandy" brush. No leaves just the brush for now. It's a start; hopefully, the leaf pick up will be timely.

Vic

12:21 pm on Saturday, November 17, 2012

What a total waste of time that leaves are picked up with a front end loader and that "pincher" thing they use. It leaves a bigger mess on the road than they started with. Then there are the branches, that they load into the back of a township truck, with branches sticking out all over the place, and then drive to the public works building with leaves and branches falling out on the way. What happened to the "Chipper" for branches, and the big "Vaccuum" for leaves?? It appears to me that Cinnaminson has gone in reverse when it comes to this kind of technology. And it cannot be more economical, can it???

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John

3:34 pm on Saturday, November 17, 2012

I guess its not in the budget for a new Vaccuum leaf pick up truck....but we can over look a new car and say ooooppppsssss I did not see it....oh well.....I still have several trees with leaves on them and they will not fall now....some one better check the calendar.....

Donkey Kong

6:09 pm on Saturday, November 17, 2012

@Christina: After seeing Mr. O'Connor's comments above, you might want to think and investigate a little more before you print anything those bunch of liars tell you. I'm not sure which one told you that, but I wouldnt put my trust in anything that comes out of any of their mouths. How many times do people have to ask you to "investigate" before you print. And by investigation, it means BOTH sides of a story and perhaps a little background. Or is this kind of like the investigation you claimed to be working on with the new CFO? You have again proven your loyalty to the Captain and his Team.

Christina Paciolla

7:12 pm on Saturday, November 17, 2012

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