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Nancy, with all due respect, can you tell me how we can add business(es) to our community without increasing traffic? If we add a store but nobody goes will they stay? Isn't the idea of adding business to the area to attract more people? Aren't people complaining that internet shopping and the big malls are killing the small community shopping centers. I am all for safety, but how about coming up with an idea to fill the centers instead of trashing every idea that comes up? No disrespect intended, if you don't like traffic, etc, you need to live in a very rural area then.

Thank you Tim! Well put... you took the words right out of my mouth! Sounds like some people would be more happier in the pine barrens!

Thank you "J" many forget that it will not be only Cinnaminson 'kids' using this facility. There will be people coming from all around the area. Has any 'citizen of Cinnaminson' noticed the rash of robberies when the "Carni" is here? AND, what will the hours of this facility be?
As for the Cinnaminson Resident, who evidentially is afraid to use their real name, we would like to leave N.J. completely as being seniors we can hardly afford to live in Cinnaminson, or for that matter, New Jersey. Cinnaminson has many many really good features and that's why we moved here in the first place BUT we are being out priced and the 'picture' of the community is changing rapidly. Some people don't see the whole picture.

I remember when the mall was FULL and there were no empty stores there. I really miss the Acme and am glad that the pizza store is still operating as is very convenient. BUT, this go cart thingo is not a store that most Cinnaminson people will use. More nose and traffic and inconvenience for those living nearby...and....as I said in a previous post, the parking lots of the Town Hall and library will no doubt be used also by the people using the go cart or whatever facility. Again, check out the amount of cars parked by the new restaurant in the mall. THINK

I do think, which is why I question your posts. They don't make much sense to me.

love your post Tommy. 4 thumbs up

Have to agree with tom. We might need the space for soup lines. With the 50 more cars in whistlers has now we don't have a single spot left in the town. WE MIGHT SINK!

AAAAHHHH TOMMY, don't you realize that sarcasm is a weapon of the weak???

Hey Pizon.........don't you know that 'sarcasm' is a weapon of the WEAK?? It's not the business that I object, as you would know if you thought about it........it's the 'type' of business and what elements it will bring into the town. Sure, it's great for our kids and even some adults but it will cost your hard earned money and will, no doubt, have a lesson in driving that 'may not' be advantageous in the long run. Anyway, your sarcasm is noted and I surely am happy that I don't have you as a neighbor!!

Nancy - Sarcasm is what powers the internet.

Again, angry post. Can you explain what "element" will be brought here?

Is the same "element" that was feared to travel the River Line and come steal our TV sets?

I'm just asking you to be more clear..

Tommy.....I've said it before and I'll say it again......sarcasm is a weapon of the weak... something someone w/o the ability to think and reach reasonable and intelligent conclusions...to see the entire picture......mostly instant gratification

Eric, just because someone doesn't agree with your side of the issue doesn't make them stupid. I agree it will give the kids a place to go, try to make your point without discounting your opinion by insulting others.

What kids are you talking about, Eric??? My neighbors kids are doing very well, participating in Cinnaminsons school and local sports, going to Church functions, teens doing their share by volunteering for town functions, selling Girl Scout cookies, helping their elderly neighbors shovel snow....and getting good grades in school and participating anyway they can to improve their lives and town. Where do you live and what kids are you talking about. If these kids you mention have nothing better to do than 'SPEAK TO THEIR PARENTS' and find out the reasons why??? Cinnaminson already has much to share with our children!! Besides, how much will it cost to use the facility?? More money that can be used by families for something more productive. AND, don't we have enough of teens in this entire area driving fast and dying in accidents because 'parents' don't teach them or have closed eyes to their driving, drugging and not obeying the driving laws for teens. they don't need a place to 'practice'!!

@ Nancy - You don't want families to spend time or money here? But on the other hand you seem to think that people already drive too fast? Are you stating that there will be a direct correlation between this indoor karting tack and soon to be carnage on the local roadways?

If you want free, wholesome family fun. People could go to church, or the library across the street.

Your reply seems is hard to read, filled with contradictions, almost like a stream of subconscious anger.

If a family wants to spend money here in our town, let them do it. There is nothing evil or horrible about an indoor karting track. If anything it will help my son learn the failure envelope in a safe and controlled environment.

Gee Eric, I know lots of 'teenagers' in Cinnaminson and none of them drink, vandalize and do all that 'shit' you mention. Perhaps if some parents kept track fo their teenagers and showed better good examples there wouldn't be all that 'shit' you mention. There is plenty to do in the area if you have a mind to seek it out or open your mind.

But you forget, CBJ, that it won't only be Cinnaminson youth that will use this facility!! How much will it cost to 'drive'? People will be 'coming to town' from 'all' over the area.

God forbid people from other towns come to Cinnaminson. We dont want THOSE people here.

Will Smith... my thoughts exactly! What does she mean "THOSE" people. I swear, some folks in Cinnaminson try to hide their racist overtones with "OUR" children and "OUTSIDERS".... What they are saying is they hate diversity and only want their own "GOOD" White children to be protected from the ugly minorities that could invade us from Camden or Willingboro. Damn Cinnaminson residents really need to get a grip with the social realities of this country.

When you mention Dunkin Donuts.. you do know its on the other side of the road correct? It sounds like you think all the traffic is going to come solely from Riverton Road. Which is interesting, since that section is the part that's going to be repaved/circled.

The only place I picture a "big traffic jamb" is going to be at the light on Riverton Road, coming from Clover Drive.

While traffic is a valid concern, and I'm sure there will be times of high volume, it has a funny way of often correcting itself. If traffic is horrible, people will avoid the area (and in turn lessen the traffic). And I'd like to think that the traffic volume is based on the parking lot size at maximum capacity. Acme used to be quite the mad house on days before holidays or Sunday...

But this has been discussed before. Lets hope its a positive place, generates interest and tax dollars, and is fun.

Let ask you what I asked Nancy. What do you propose we put in those centers that will thrive, but not attract people to increase traffic? It honestly is a simple question, do you leave the buildings vacant as to not increase traffic? The object when opening a business is to attract customers, people. So unless you know of another form of transportation it will increase traffic. We could leave the buildings vacant and listen to people complain all the blighted empty buildings along 130, post them on Facebook and call Cinnaminson the next Camden.

I respect that you have an opinion, and concerns. But unless the plan is to level the building and put nothing, something has to go there, what do you propose?

Best post yet!! Reasonabe and intelligent!! No 'closed mind' here!!

Anonin.............Thank You..........it seems that some some posters have to be 'nasty' or 'sarcastic' when 'discussing'. ALSO, they twist your words and think that then they are 'so clever'. As far as RT. 130 in our area...if anyone took the time to look, there are 'still' many 'empty' store fronts and recently I have notice a couple more. One being the 'ethnic bakery/store going north. There are more closing all the time and it is sad. Times are bad and people don't have the money to waste on unnecessary activities. Oh tho' perhaps that's why some can't afford the necessary things of life???? Judgement impaired?

So by your logic Nancy we should ask you how we should spend our money and where we spend it before we choose to waste it? Your logic takes every food establishment on 130 and throws it in the trash as "unnecessary", correct? Because we should all choose to stay home and bake bread by the fire.. right?

While were at it, lets ban all vehicle traffic on 130 and bring back foot traffic only because cars are unnecessary entitlements.

Anonin.....Thanks for yur reasonable and rational post!! Seems some posting are just like the 'bullyboys' around even when I grew up decades ago. No thought for the future but always for instant gratification w/o thinking of the consequences.

Anon, a reasonable and rational post. It's just too bad that the 'bullyboys' posting can't see the forest for the trees. Same types that were around when I grew up... same ole' same ole' instant gratification types w/o thinking thoroughly.

We did

AnoninCinna.........some people can't see beyond the end of their nose! Wh have to make allowances.............

Oh totally. Except that it seems Cinnaminson's Rt 130 demographics would not support it. Given the WalMart, Bottom Dollar Foods, Dollar Stores, Crappy version of Burlington Coat Factory, and fast food chains and chain restaurants that run along.... (being objective here)..

And just to be clear here, this Kart track is not a place where "kids" can go and ride go-carts. These are more young adult attractions. Rides cost real money. If anyone remembers Malibu Raceway in Mt. Laurel you know what Im talking about.

I am disappointed with the growth of low end retail. Wal-Mart and the crime problems, the Gold's Gym fiasco, that all-you-can-eat buffet disaster, now Bottom Dollar Foods. An indoor go-kart track next. Why are we so focused on this type of retail? Why aren't we working to bring better types of retail (like Trader Joe's, Starbucks, REI) to town? The citizens who live here would support that type of retail. We have missed the boat on the ones that I mentioned because they are now in neighboring communities. The people of town gain nothing from establishments that do not attract them. Instead, we see traffic, crime increase and a shopping experience that leaves much to be desired. It's great that the sleazy motels are gone. Replaced with what? A high-density condo development that has sputtered out ,leaving a field full of weeds. The former Caldor Plaza where the Shop-rite is, was supposed to have been a Target. Not great, but better than Burlington Coat Factory, sub shops, cell phone stores, and a tanning salon. Shop-rite's liquor area is now a running joke about the various ways clowns are using to try to steal liquor. Meanwhile Target goes up the road, paying taxes to Delran. Cinnaminson is a great town, with great people, and good schools. All I am saying is that we need to have enough self respect and pride in and from our government to say no to any more low end retail, and work to build the 130 corridor into something we can all be proud of.

This is in response to Joe Galbraith's comment. I think all of us tend to agree with you. However, as someone who has been to dozens of meetings over the years and spoken to those who run our township, they want the same things. It's a matter of the other end not agreeing to come here. Why would you assume a place like Trader Joe's would come to Cinnaminson? As far as I know, they have ONE location in ALL of south jersey! You are talking about upscale businesses. Truthfully, the Route 130 corridor doesn't lend itself fo that type of business here in town. Trader Joe's is in Marlton, with highend stories around it. REI, same deal. Starbucks wanted to be here, but choose elsewhere. That's just the way business works. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Bottom Dollar—it's an excellent grocery store and I suggest you do some research before jumping to any conclusions.

I hear "bottom barrel" foods each time I even think about the name. I miss Portobello.. That place had a lot of cool foods that were not at Acme..

Ellie A. - I understand exactly what you are saying, but saying that the township wants high quality retail/food establishments and what actually has been built are two very different things. If our township truly wants to attract a better class of retail, there must be a commitment on their part to go out and seek it as well as creating a climate that makes it attractive to locate in Cinnaminson. As the old saying goes; "seeing is believing". We missed the chance to have the Black Diamond skate park relocate here from Moorestown. A place where many Cinnaminson kids already go to ride. One of the nicest eateries is Southern New Jersey has left town, through no fault of the township, but has there been a concerted effort to try to get another upscale restaurant into the space? Actions indeed speak louder than words.

ANY business??? Let's not grasp at straws here.....we should maintain the reasons that people bought homes here!! And it wasn't for entertainment for kids or whatever...there are plenty of groups functioning in this town for the children to participate in that are much more beneficial than a go cart facility that will draw in much more than 'locals'.

AMEN!!!

great post Ross... You hit the nail on the head.

IT'S NO A 'STORE' .... it an entertainment center of a sort that will draw much more then Cinnaminson citizens need. Please, open your eyes and see how it will change, and not for the better, the face of Cinnaminson. I haven't lived here as long as many citizens but,already, I've seen some areas going down hill.........all along Rt. 130 in Cinnaminson. This Go Cart facility is not going to safe the town in any way.

Nancy, I'm sorry but saying all along Rt 130 has been going down hill is a rediculous statement. What do you want, the empty buildings and the motels back? Maybe you dont like the businesses opening but the Rt 130 corridor in Cinnaminson has been greatly improved over the last several years.

@Nancy Do you remember what lined Route 130 in Cinnaminson just a few years ago? We had the abandoned Cinnaminson Mall, motel row, several outdated strip malls, and some pretty dangerous intersections. Are you actually suggesting that the Shoppes at Cinnaminson, the renovated strip malls and parking lots, and other potential new businesses (even if they aren't "stores") are down hill from what we had on Route 130 several years ago?

Seriously Nancy... what EXACTLY is wrong with "OUTSIDERS" coming to Cinnaminson to shop at "OUR" stores??? Just curious.

bravo cinn.. You are so right...

Never saw them in the store. But I guess once the Bottom Dollar opens I'll check it out.

Agree about the price increases in Shop Rite!! AND, isn't the new grocery store a one similar to Portabello?? As for rats/roaches and the like, ALL grocery/food/restaurants have some of those creatures you mention. Thank goodness for health inspections...if it was that bad in Portabello, what does that say about the inspectors? Perhaps you were exaggerating a bit??

Another sarcastic poster....and certainly not a number 1 citizen if using the aforementioned. If you can remember, C C 1, or read the papers you will note that much of the robberies and so forth are done by outsiders. I am sure that many people from out of town do and have always shopped in Cinnaminson...but....most not interested in a go cart facility. The citizens of Cinnaminson are from all over the place, not just those you mentioned. LOL yourself........use your God given mind.

Nice reply.

You sure made your case.

See you at the track.

Sorry you think that the track is going to somehow ruin the town.

Best of luck with your sour attitude.

PS, feel free to attack my childhood anytime. It makes me stronger as an Atheist.

goes to show us how little you do know about this kart track. These are racing karts capable of 50+ mpg and 1g cornering.. Nothing your average teenager can do or get on the street.. This place will be very popular with teenagers who drive.

Nancy, it being so easy for you to spew your free thoughts is a great privledge of this country, and also a scary thing for the tone of hate I believe lies within your words.
Instead of using the " ' " and hiding what words you mean (i.e. 'element' etc) why dont you just say you do not want people from Pennsauken, Camden, etc coming in to YOUR town? You would at least garner some respect if you did not hide behind misleading words. Also is it possible you are against this plan so much because it is a Lutheran church development?
Just a thought.

Well.... Frank I guess that's enough Patch for tonight you can get your 15 plus hours in tomorrow. Does T.S. ever get a chance on the computer?

Do kids jump the median now to head to Brothers’ Pizza or do they use the pedestrian walking overpass? I always see people using that so I’m just asking what you think?

Steve, a true and sensible post...........not the empty minded posts of some who haven't thought the situation through. The man who mentioned the speed at this facility who thinks that this will satisfy the 'speeding' of these kids..evidentially doesn't read the newspapers where 'teens' driving and speeding have crashed and killed themselves and their 14 and 15 passengers also.......I am astonished at some peoples lack of reason.....thinking thoroughly into the entire situation.

I'm with the speeding satisfaction crowd. I know that going after Karting, you CAN'T drive the same - and it makes you realize the limits of a normal car.. much.. much faster.. its disappointing. I say this as an adult, and I saw this remembering what it was like when I was 18 at Malibu Raceway.. My friends and I still comment on it.

Agreed Steve, hopefully we never see a tragedy like that Burger King one again but those fences on the medians look horrible. Plus it seems like kids really enjoy using the overpass. I always see kids using it now so I don't know why would this change? Room for thought though.

did I say ANYTHING about taking away a 'desire'?? NO .. That came from you my dear..

Lauren, Totally agree.....but there are some who don't think it through thoroughly and just think of all the 'fun' their kids will have speeding and getting their urge to speed there instead of on our rodes.

Frank,
There's some information you're looking for in the article. Site plans were approved last month so the group needs to wait out the 45-day appeal period. Last I reported, construction could start next month. It would be worth doing an updated story though so look for that soon. Thanks.
Christina