Ideal Developer Sought for 130 Property
What should go at Azalea Farms? Tell us what you think. Also, committee puts someone familiar in charge of ushering new businesses into town.
Township Committee unanimously agreed to look into the purchase of the vacant parcel of land along Route 130 between Riverton Road and Highland Avenue (also known as the Azalea Farms property) for potential business development.
The 4-acre property has been vacant for about 15 years, according to Deputy Mayor Anthony Minniti. The property was purchased about five years ago for a little more than $1 million, but the owner went into foreclosure and the land was on its way to a sheriff’s sale when the township stepped in.
When asked by a resident at Monday's committee meeting why they were thinking about purchasing the property, Minniti explained the township is trying to see if it can find a developer—the right developer—to turn the land into a ratable the township can earn some revenue from.
"The township only derives revenue on land that is improved," he said. "If we don't do anything, we're left to the whim of anyone who comes in ... When we have properties that are underutilized, we try to encourage redevelopment of them."
The township has submitted a letter of intent, which gives it 60 days to examine possible uses for the property and try to find an interested developer. Ideally, Minniti said, the township won't spend a dime on the land—which is worth an estimated $600,000; a good deal on Route 130 frontage, he said—but will instead find a suitable developer to purchase it.
"Hopefully we're giving it to a developer who's giving us the latest addition to our Route 130 corridor," he said.
Minniti said there are no specific businesses or uses in mind for the land, but suggested it could be a mixed-use commercial property, i.e. The Shoppes at Cinnaminson.
Cindy Pierson, former Pompeston Creek Watershed Association president and co-founder of the new Watchdogs of the Watersheds, said she's all for economic development, but told committee to be careful, because the land might not be suitable for certain kinds of development.
Pierson said a previous study determined the ground was unsuitable for the placement of asphalt, because it would prevent stormwater infiltration.
In other economic development news, committee also unanimously created the Department of Community and Economic Development, with township administrator Frank Locantore as its director (and sole member).
The idea, Locantore said, is to centralize all the various points of contact a business owner needs—construction, zoning, etc.—under one position.
By creating the position, Minniti said the township is hoping to create an "enhanced customer experience" for potential new (and existing) businesses.
What would you like to see at the Azalea Farms property? Tell us in the comments below.
Cinnaminsonmom
7:43 am on Tuesday, February 26, 2013
The last thing we need is another strip mall dropped in along 130. The shoppes at Cinnaminson look nice, but there are still vacancies in there.... and in other commercial lots. I would like to know what the larger proactive approach is to development in the town instead of always just reacting to vacant lots. Are we just going to keep trying to fill in pieces along 130 with commercial and continue the cycle of pushing out older businesses?
How about at some point we look at opportunities to put in frontage roads that connect these developments, and make them more accessible to residents. This would reduce the amount of trips that have to go out onto 130 which wastes time and gas. You could conceivable fit a "main street" road from infront of old Acme, behind Whistlers, all the way to the main road through the shoppes. I'm not saying this has to all be done at once, but if the plan is in place, then as developers come in, they would be responsible for building their part.
Ric
4:44 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013
The property should stay in private hands. There is absolutely no reason that a developer would prefer to purchase this property from the township than through the intended sheriff sale. There is no doubt us taxpayers will suffer a loss: the $17,000 a year property taxes, real estate commissions, development fees, and of course the property will be sold as a loss. The only ones who will greatly benefit from the township purchasing this property will be the usual Cinnaminson cast of characters who always get Cinnaminson township’s contract work.
How does the township expect us to pay for this property when Sal Illuzi is about to demand Cinnaminson property owners give him $30 to $40 million for a new high school?
What ever happened to the pledges of fiscal conservatism that our town council members pledged when they ran for office? They aren’t republicans. Republicans would favor letting the open market develop this property. It is only Socialist and Communist that favor governmental ownership of private property.
Mark
2:10 pm on Tuesday, February 26, 2013
Ric, you and I have had our differing opinions, but this time, I have to agree 100% with you. This committee is completely off base with this one. Townships have NO business being in the real estate or development game. Leave that to the experts, which NONE of the current ones are. I am sure they would not like it if developers decided they were going to take over being a cop, or filling prescriptions, or selling old converted sea boxes, and whatever it is that she does.
that guy
8:43 am on Tuesday, February 26, 2013
PLEASE NO. We really do not need NEW buildings to clutter the cooridor. Thats all it is these days, clutter. We are going to end up looking like Pennsauken after 45th Street Pub.
amd
9:22 am on Tuesday, February 26, 2013
Youth football fields would be nice, similar to what Palmyra and every other town besides Cinnaminson has. Fountain Farms cannot be used because the lights came down during Sandy and are still laying on the ground.
noyb
4:42 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013
I have an idea lets see if Greyhound will come here and put in a bus station... but we need a prenup that says they can only sell one way tickets to Alaska. We can then fill the busses with all the whiny cry babies on the patch and sent them off to the place they should be living... in the bush with no neighbors.
seriously why are there sooooo many people around here that are against development in this town? Its rediculious. if you have stores and things that people want then people want to move here. when they want to move and live here the value of everything goes up. Yeah my house, your house, the neighbors house, everything. More tax revenue for the township by buisness means less for me to possibly have to pay. I'm all for getting a developer in here to make some good use out of the dirt on rt 130.
the town needs a new school then lets figure out how to do it. People will want to come here to send their kids to our schools. We already have great teachers and a good program, top it off with a brand new school and people be banging on every realtor door around to buy here.
John
12:02 pm on Tuesday, February 26, 2013
@NOYB, we have too many vacant houses now and one of the reasons is the TAX problem....Our student population has not gone up in quiet a while so why do we need to have a brand new school, U say to bring in people, I say there is nothing wrong with what we got....The gas station on 130 and willow was supposed to be gone and its still there, thank god Barone's is gone but the black top is still there, another kickback for the roofing company....Why don't U ask about the shoppes and the kickback to put it in and cause rain run off to flood houses out, and now we are going to have a reassessment to get back the lost tax money and increase the taxes in this town....If someone wanted to buy the land they would have done so...The township does not need to spend our tax money on that ok....have a good one
Mark
2:10 pm on Tuesday, February 26, 2013
NYOB, I don't think it has to do with building. The issue with me is why is our township committee spending our tax dollars on real estate transactions again? They bought Barones to prevent a business that no one apparently wanted in town to make it a landscaped piece of property at a jug-handle. Well as of right now, the parking lot and the buildings foundation (with part of the back wall) are still there with what appears to be no intentions to do anything more with this property. Don't blame the weather, because landscapers work in 40 degree weather all the time.
I say let a developer or someone else buy that piece of property and township committee stay out of it.
noyb
4:20 pm on Tuesday, February 26, 2013
@ John. You are right we have a ton a vacant houses here. Our student population is going down because people dont want to live here anymore. we can agree to disagree on why. If you dont like how things are being run then I suggest you step to the plate and run for office. Im no Minitti love here honestly I think the guy is a D bag. But he is in office and i dont see a line of people waiting to take his place. If you read the article again you will see they have a plan in place to have a developer foot the bill. Not the tax payer. If it works our tax money isnt touched
@Mark... your right its like syrup around here everything takes forever. But thats how township governemtns work. maybe our takes longer that the rest but sitting here complaining on the Patch isnt going to do a thing. Again maybe you can offer a suggestion on how to speed this process up and we will all be better off. I have no idea how to speed it up.
Apple McIntosh
5:47 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013
I wanted to thank everyone at the meeting last night for listening to me and giving me directions as how to proceed with securing the safety of my sidewalk and assuring me that Public Works will remove the tree that has erupted 4 blocks of concrete there. I will also call and Email Public Works Dept. again as directed to do. I also want to thank Donald Brauckmann for remembering that over 10years ago when he asked me for his vote to get started in the towns politics that I said I would vote for HIM if he made sure that the township trees that were at my curb and destroying the sidewalk would finally be taken care of. You do have a good memory Donald, and I didn't realize myself that it was that long ago that I asked you to promise to have something done. It's been much longer though, before the the days of cell phones and emails and Patch links, that we reported this problem. It's been a long long time and now more damage has been done. So thank you again for remembering. I will keep on top of it now with all the modern tools of communication and reporting of things. A wonderful, constructive day to ALL. :-)
Bull Pitt
11:58 pm on Tuesday, February 26, 2013
So, Mr. Brauckmann made you a promise 10 years ago for your vote, and here it is 10 years later and nothing was done. Imagine that, a politician lying to you for your vote. The only reason he is saying he will do something now is because you were "out of sight, out of mind" and now you're back. I'll tell you what, don't call, email, or speak with him again and 10 years from now, your tree problem will still be there. Don "Promises" Broke-man.
Barb Rivera
11:56 am on Tuesday, February 26, 2013
^ The list is a few years long. The only way it's getting done any day soon is if you pay for it.
John
12:09 pm on Tuesday, February 26, 2013
Great, we pay our dept of public works for what, just driving around town...I now see tree branches out at the curb, do not know why, there is no pick ups now...surprised the people are not getting summons for this, oh well...have a good one
Phil
2:10 pm on Tuesday, February 26, 2013
John, next week is the first month of pick-ups. Are those branches out where the pick-up is next week?
Sarah
12:06 pm on Tuesday, February 26, 2013
Isn't Cinnaminson developed enough?
Jenn
12:12 pm on Tuesday, February 26, 2013
Im moving to Moorestown. This town sucks.
Phil
4:42 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013
See ya. Go read their Patch articles. It's worse then Cinnaminson's, if you can believe it. They'll also be Medford in 5 years, needing a 25% or more tax hike to keep their services. You'd also be moving from the number 1 in school district in graduation rate to the 5th. The reason for their #5 ranking, right out of the superintendent's mouth, "our special needs kids brought us down". Yeah, that's a town I'd want to live in. They're also going through a full assessment, not the adjustment Cinnaminson's doing.
bull-ric
4:42 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013
"buh bye Jenn! Do Cinnaminson an even bigger favor and take JoePa and her faux civility lectures, John with his schools, floods and tax assessments, and Ric with his sidewalks and overall delusion alond for the ride. And for good measure, take lesanda who is "lovinglife as a disgraced former twp. employee" with you! Wow, suddenly Cinnaminson is looking a whole lot better already!!!"
John
8:14 pm on Tuesday, February 26, 2013
@bull-ric, how about a spelling lesson for U, U need it, have a great day....
Bull Pitt
11:58 pm on Tuesday, February 26, 2013
Yo bull-Ric, you forgot about me! I'm devastated that you've forgotten about me so fast.
Cinnaminsonmom
4:42 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013
@ NOYB - I am not against development and/or re-development. It is necessary, and contributes to a town when it is done well. The haphazard approach we have right now, basically just begs for whatever developer we can get in, instead of selecting the development to complement the town and make it better. I just think we should plan better for it by looking at the bigger picture. The question should be "What do we, as residents, want the town to look like 10-15-20 years from now?"
Cinnaminsonmom
2:10 pm on Tuesday, February 26, 2013
am not against development and/or re-development. It is necessary, and contributes to a town when it is done well. The haphazard approach we have right now, basically just begs for whatever developer we can get in, instead of selecting the development to complement the town and make it better. I just think we should plan better for it by looking at the bigger picture. The question should be "What do we, as residents, want the town to look like 10-15-20 years from now?"
Ruth Mays
4:42 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013
The very last thing we need in town is another strip mall! There are already plenty of empty storefronts waiting for someone to use them. Why should the township buy that piece of land? Once we buy it, we lose any and all tax revenue. We do not need to own the property in order to look for a developer for a project- any developer could buy it from the current owner. We also need to ensure that no PILOT is granted to a developer, because that would again deprive us of tax revenue. There are already too many PILOTS in this town; this is why taxes for individual households are so very high.
Ric
4:20 pm on Tuesday, February 26, 2013
You are exactly right - "We do not need to own the property in order to look for a developer for a project- any developer could buy it from the current owner"
bull-ric
4:42 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013
Ruth, our taxes are high because we live in a State run by tax and spend democrats. Don't like high taxes? Look no further than Barry Hussein Obama! Follow that to a government dominated by "take Cinnaminson money and give it to failed urban experiments" and that is why we're overtaxed. Don't like your taxes? Stop voting "spend-o-crat"!
dajoepa75
4:42 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013
Bravo Bull-Ric, finally a comment with some substance and a vague relationship to the article. Proud of you bully-r.
Ric
4:42 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013
@Bull-ric. If you disregard reality, what you said makes sense. Cinnaminson is a run excessively by the republican machine. The answer is to stop believing republican BS that they are fiscally conservative. They spend like drunken sailors...But you already knew that.
noyb
4:42 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013
Taxes arent high becasue of PILOT program. They were high before. We live in NJ its a state issue, not just a Cinnaminson issue. I hear taxes are pretty low in NC! you should move there and check it out then report back what we are doing wrong. Time to face it if you like living in NJ then you gotta pay. You will never see a $1200/year tax bill here its just not gonna happen.
Mshell
4:42 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013
the last thing nj needs in general is another strip mall. that's all it is anymore. it used to be a pretty state. now it's just mall after mall after mall. not such a scenic drive to the beach anymore.
Val
4:42 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013
I don't mind actually seeing some grass along rte 130. Please not another strip mall. Let's put our energies into developing properties that are a bigger eye sore, such as the old Bo's Wok. I really don't understand the value of the township buying property.
John
4:42 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013
@Val, good luck with that one the gas station on 130 and willow is supposed to be gone and its still there...Just like it took how long for the roofers to get rid of the Barones building but left the foundation in place....no grass there yet....How about a hospital for all the accidents on 130.....
Skitch
4:42 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013
How about you point the Luthern Ministries in that direction and ask them to buy that piece of property to build their 3 story monstrosity on. The property is bigger, allows for more parking, keeps the eyesore out of our residential neighborhood and keeps the additional traffic off of Riverton Road and on to Rt 130 instead. It will solve the already overloaded sewer system problem on Riverton Rd and eliminate the additional flooding issues in the Rolling Green neighborhood and the neighborhood across the street. Sell the Cinnaminson Home property to another outfit better suited to a residential neighborhood instead of building a hotel sized structure on the small piece of land.
dajoepa75
4:42 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013
Is it possible the township is buying the property to sell to someone in order to obtain another liquor license. This quote came from an October 2012 article:"However there is a way to get another license—and Minniti has suggested it to his contact with Bennigan’s. It’s called a concessionaire’s permit and if the township owns a property, they can be the license owners." Same article mentioned hotel could get a license. Know it's a stretch but is it possible an eating establishment is being considered to get another license. Article said they wanted to test the ABC regulations. See Bull-Ric, not always negative.
that's some foul chez?
10:41 am on Sunday, March 10, 2013
Ruth, as a fellow resident who was completely rejected by CInmaminson, I get that you're upset at all the progress Cinnaminson has made. You lost, Route 130 got redeveloped. We lost, the Cinnaminson Police Department is running better than ever. Maybe we should just accept that our ideas stunk, the town made the right choice and our is better for us having lost? Do like me, I'm loving life now and just enjoying the bus ride every day.
dajoepa75
4:42 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013
bull ric-you really are what they call a troll aren't you. You have not once commented on the substance of an article, only been posting under you a "name" you had to piece together from others' names for what, about a week? Obviously, you have to reach for your "material" from really old articles so you've been reading awhile and probably posting under many names, none your own. Pretty sure you've exposed your real identity based on the way you write. You really are a legend in your own mind and I'm sure real residents wouldn't be unhappy if you left yourself. How's that for civility bully-rick.... :)
AnoninCinna
4:42 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013
We do not need another hotel/motel. We do not need another restaurant. Skitch's suggestion of having the Lutheran home built there instead of in the residential neighborhood on Riverton Road is the best suggestion yet!
Bull Pitt
4:42 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013
That's actually not a bad idea Skitch. Otherwise I'd say leave it be.
Does anyone know how the foreclosure works? Does the current owner lose everything, or does he still owe $600,000 and that's why it only costs that much? And if it went into foreclosure, how is a price established, and is it then the bank's property until sold?
I'm curious to who is a "winner" and "loser" in the sale pre-foreclosure, as opposed to post-foreclosure. And if it foreclosed, isn't it possible to get the property even cheaper? Curious... Anybody? Buehler?
noyb
4:42 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013
price is established byt what ever someone is willing to pay. If someone is willing to pony up 1M for it then its worth 1M. Generally in a Foreclosure the bank takes ownership of the property and they are responsible for up keep and taxes. Yes someone has to be paying taxes on the land now even if its vacant. Bank then tries to sell it to get their money back, basically.
agent itchy
4:42 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013
BullRic should open a store selling tri cornered hats and Gadsden flags for all his rapidly aging bagger buddies. living out your old age ignorant and angry is really quite pathetic.
FYI, Abbott is a NJ supreme court decision based on a case filed by the Education Law Center. your smear campaign of democrats is as misguided as your xenophobia.
Radiohead
4:42 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013
Another restaurant is a great idea. Maybe one that has a little bit of class. Unlike, the Asian Sloth Pit next to the Raceway. This town will NEVER have an upper end anything so maybe a TGIF or something along those lines. How could there be enough good restaurants anywhere??
Just please not another Pizza Hut, Chilis , or garbage like that.
Better yet.... Sell the property and put the money into the high school where it is sorely needed. We have been through many wrestling and football seasons and U have still yet to visit a single high school that is as much as a dump as Cinnaminson. Tomorrow we go to Robbinsville High for Regional Championships in wrestling . To compare that school to Cinnaminson High is laughable.
Lets get some of this money to our kids where it belongs.
I, for one, am thrilled that Our Superintendant is proposing a MAJOR overhaul at the high school.
To that I say..... FINALLY !!!!!
noyb
10:02 am on Wednesday, February 27, 2013
Agree lets get some high end places here we have enough roach and hooker infested dumps. The problem the town has with getting a fridays or something else in there is they have no moreliquor licenses left. They cant just make one up they have to follow laws.
Phil
12:20 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013
Yeah, the whole liquor license thing is a huge limiting factor in any redevelopment efforts. Any restaurant chain, high-end or otherwise, isn't going to look in townships without a liquor license. I'd actually rather keep petitioning the state legislature reps to repeal it or change it. There's zero reason to limit liquor licenses. Also, private entities, like Marion or Riverton CC, shouldn't count towards a town's overall liquor license number.
John
12:20 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013
Whats next another tax hike for the schools, we already pay 61% of our taxes to the schools and pensions....If the system is so bad how is it that we are supposed to be number 1 in this county...U better check your facts pal and I say that loosely....enjoy the tax hike, jerk
Barb Rivera
4:42 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013
Bull-Ric.. I live through the frequent flooding that the Shoppes at Cinnaminson have contributed to. This township is run by Republicans and its obviously not producing a positive feeling within its taxpayers.
Teacher Preacher 18
4:42 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013
Let's just raise taxes again so that the babysitters, oops i mean teachers, can make $100k a year to "work" 7 months a year.
agent itchy
4:42 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013
constant lies from Teacher Preacher. go visit Data Universe and review salaries a small number receive six figures, but then again, the liar would have nothing to complain about.
btw, TP18, why didn't you become a teacher? Too bad, so sad
Radiohead
4:31 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013
@teacherpreacher
Are you kidding me? First off, where are all the teachers making six figures ? You are totally clueless. Teachers do not make enough money to begin with and ignorant statements like the one you made continue to float out there.
John
1:34 pm on Thursday, February 28, 2013
Oh one more thing, teachers do not work 12 months a year, so what do they do for the other time that they are not working or on a holiday....gardening taking trips or do what, I guess your a teacher too right ha ha Radiohead
Radiohead
4:31 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013
@john. You obviously don't have kids in school. But besides that fact..... Remember great towns always have great schools. Let me clue you in on a few.
Haddonfield ,Moorestown , Eastern, Cherry Hill East, Allentown , Robbinsville . Can I stop now . People who do not fully support education are either stupid or just plain miserable . The children are the future in this country. We owe then every opportunity available. Buck up and pay your taxes . If 61% goes to education and the school needs work , then raise the taxes just a little bit more. End of story. I am willing to pay for our future . This town has been anti education with people like you and Ric for too long.
John
1:34 pm on Thursday, February 28, 2013
@Radiohead, thats a good name for U, tune it on and listen to yourself talk....I am 66 and I had 4 kids but not here so I am not miserable....To compare schools from other towns U have to get the facts, whats there tax rates, how much do they pay in taxes and what is there population....Its called do a budget or is the MATH CLASS dumb...I do not know who is in charge of replacing things but it should have been in the budget get it jerk....If our assessments have been over inflated by 50,000 dollars since the last assessment where has all the money gone....get a life ok
william
10:46 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013
Tony do you ever get tired of posting on patch? How many accounts do you have? How about you bring back Remo just for old time sake.
mike payne
1:34 pm on Thursday, February 28, 2013
I want everyone to think for a second. How much recreational activities is there to do here in town besides the race way? What about a Bowling Alley in town and also a Miniature Golf Course
Phil
3:32 pm on Thursday, February 28, 2013
Miniature Golf or something like the old Greens would be nice, not sure they could do that in that space, though. Bowling alley wouldn't come in without the liquor license but we also have a pretty close one on 73 or Maple Ave in Pennsauken.
mike payne
6:51 pm on Thursday, February 28, 2013
Thats true Phil maybe not on that site but on the north side where branch brook once stood may work
John
4:32 pm on Saturday, March 2, 2013
Now look, we have Triboro thats supposed to be developed, the gas station on 130 and willow was supposed to be down now, Barone's gas station is supposed to be grassed but the black top is still there, what else do we have to do but up the land...We now have a person thats SUPPOSED to know how to get things done...all he will do is collect more money...this is a joke....
CHS Parent 4
12:48 pm on Sunday, March 3, 2013
Rumor has it that "Club Go-GO" is coming back and opening up on the old Barone's lot. I for 1 am for this proposal. The way the economy is now-adays, we need somewhere for our high school grads to be able to work once they graduate.
mike payne
8:17 pm on Sunday, March 3, 2013
What is Club Go Go Never heard of it
HopeAmongstCin
9:18 pm on Monday, March 4, 2013
I love the idea of a "Main Street", Cinnaminson needs a little charm. And, I do not believe that student enrollment is down. The week before school started they had to hire an additional Kindergarten teacher. (please, this is not an invitation to start the usual tirade on teachers and your tax dollars, it old and off topic)
Linda
3:55 pm on Monday, April 15, 2013
If we are all for redevelopment, why doesnt Cinnaminson buy up the hotel next to azalea and the Friendly's in orde to put something real nice on the corner? Yes it would be expensive but the economy is coming back and Im sure there are interested developers for a cornor lot rather than some random farm.