I thought I would take a break from all of the tension and angst surrounding the flooding and other politically tinged issues leading up to Monday’s township committee meeting, and follow the lead of some recent Patch comments on a stroll down memory lane. I encourage everyone to chime in with their own particular reminiscences – let’s make each other smile for a couple of minutes instead of jacking up our blood pressure!
So… I’ll go first. Here’s a sampling of some of my recollections. I hope they’ll jog your memory and inspire you to comment or post other tidbits you look back on nostalgically. (I’ll save my tales from more than 20 years in the music business in and around Philadelphia for another time.)
Yes, Robert Flynn, I remember the cows being walked across Rt. 130 from Millside Farms to graze where the Target is now – back when there was a grass median strip on the length of the highway. I also remember getting ice cream, in the shiny metal bowl with a little character on a tooth pick stuck in it, at Millside Dairy. Before changing its name, Hunter’s Glen was called Millside Manor, named for the farm it replaced.
How about these?
The now vacant antique store on Broad Street was Keating’s Tavern; The aroma of fresh pastry wafting from Klipple’s Bakery at 4:00AM on Sunday mornings; The paintings of the Mouse King from “The Nutcracker” in the dance studio window at Broad and Main Streets; The first floor of the dance studio building was originally an American Store (predecessor to A&P); The corner apartment above the dance studio was a doctor’s office; The 5 & 10 and the Sharon Shoppe on Main Street in Riverton;
The movie theater in Palmyra-Red pin bowling at midnight every Saturday at Riverside Lanes; The skating rink in Riverside; The nail salon at Cinnaminson St and Broad Street was a Cumberland Farms; The building where Riverton Fitness is located was J.S. Collins, and their lumber yard was across Main Street, where the office complex is now; The bank turned residence next to the Riverton Post Office was Captain Drew’s Imports; Smyth’s Landscaping was the East Riverton fire station; The train stations, later just platforms, in Riverton and Palmyra; Sledding down “Double Bunker” at the golf course, and thinking it was a big hill; 4th of July fireworks at the riverbank in Riverton, then at Taylor’s Lane and then the Riverton Park before they were gone for good; There was an actual fountain at Andover Road and Rt.130 to mark the entrance to Fountain Farms; Asbury Methodist Church was moved from its original site, facing Rt.130; Getting a season pass to Holiday Lake – for $6.00!; Elephant keys, the Elephant tram and the pony rides at the Philadelphia Zoo-
The #9 Public Service bus on River Road – with bus driver Dorsey Van Bibber, my grandfather (before my little brother became a hot shot executive at New Jersey Transit, he was a bus driver, too, on the same route and the older drivers called him “Mini-Van”); Driving from Beverly to PHS with only 2 traffic lights, one in Riverton and one in Palmyra; There was a gas station where the Palmyra Wawa is now; The Rivers Edge Hayride (I was the witch who lost her head in the guillotine dozens of times each night!); Gino’s in Cinnaminson and Duke’s in Florence; The pond that ran down the center of the Moorestown Mall, complete with little foot bridges and live ducks, and the parrot in the garden at the Haddonfield Road end of the Cherry Hill Mall; The old draw bridge on Rt.130 over the Rancocas at Bridgeboro Road, with the sharp turn at the bottom of the hill heading northbound, and the steep hill on Bridgeboro Road at the traffic light when you were coming from Moorestown (it once took me 10 minutes to make the turn there when I was just learning to drive a van with a manual transmission)
I think that should be more than enough to get us started. I hope you'll post your own memories and any photos you might have!
Lowell Doerr
8:46 am on Saturday, February 2, 2013
Great memories Cindy....I too have lived in Palmyra and Cinnaminson my whole life (almost)...and my father used to have a piano and organ shop at 10 east Broad Street in Palmyra back in the early '50's...so I grew up on Broad Street and share all your memories...and many more....Mitchell's Tavern...Davids' Shoe Store PRC Realty, Mac's and the Snack Shop.Beitz's Market, Littlewood's Typewriter store, The Tri-Boro News office, Joe Ken's Auto Parts store...Leedom's Texico Rogers News stand....I could go on forever! Thanks for the memories!
Cindy Pierson
12:21 pm on Saturday, February 2, 2013
My family bought our piano from your father! My brother still has it out near Reading.
Lowell Doerr
4:20 pm on Saturday, February 2, 2013
My father used to have open houses at the store and Larry Ferrarri would come and play for my dad as they were good friends...and Larry lived right on Cinnaminson Ave.
Ric
11:26 am on Saturday, February 2, 2013
I most definitely remember Millside Dairies and their great ice cream. My family was living on the Mainline but we were going to move to Cinnaminson once our new home was built. Every time my father drove us over to Cinnaminson for checking on the construction, to get the kids to come along, dad would also stop at Millside Dairies for cones. Theirs was the best ice cream in the galaxy, I swear.
After my family settled in the new house, I thought we were living the high life because, unlike my part of the Mainline where there were no pizza parlors, Cinnaminson had Dino’s. Its original location was in an old house near Hathaway’s. Their pizza was great. Later it moved into the Wine Cellar shopping center before folding.
I believe Shea’s Liquor was the only store where you could buy liquor in Cinnaminson. (I could be wrong, my parents were teetotalers.) And Cindy, I recall the horse pasture at Hathaway’s. The inside of the original Hathaway’s was like stepping back to the days of Prohibition – old wooden wood floors and an ancient bar. Luckily for kids back then, they never checked our id’s too closely.
Kipple’s bakery was the best, I sure miss it. We are lucky that L & M, which is down the road, is still open. I would love to see another real bakery at the site of Bo’s Wok. Maybe even a pastry shop with coffee but nothing connected with Starbuck. Please, the faux donuts at Dunkin aren’t worth eating.
John
11:53 am on Monday, February 4, 2013
@Ric, did U read the tax bills from above...wow....this is unreal....enjoy reading them
Lowell Doerr
4:18 pm on Saturday, February 2, 2013
Ric, If I'm not mistaken, Dino's actually started out on Rt130 up near where the old 4-10 motel was before it moved to the new shopping center where there was also a Chicken Holiday store...Millside Farms was owned by the Laslocky family....wonderful people...Do any of you remember the stuffed two headed calf that was on display in the lobby at Millside Farms?...and does anybody remember when there was a truck repair shop and a house right where the Rt.130 Diner now stands?...and when Barlow Chevrolet was still Village Ford?
ha...I could go on forever!
Ric
6:14 pm on Saturday, February 2, 2013
Lowell, to be honest I am not sure where Dino’s was. Do you recall the old circa 1920s' style service station on Rt 130 and Cinnaminson Ave - it was where the Brake Shop is now located. When it closed it was selling gas for no more than 32.9 cents. The building was old painted white wooded clapboard a large canopy in front. It reminded me of the old general store my great-grandfather had owned down south. A building like that would be preserved today.
Sorry, I rather forget Village Ford; I bought a car from them.
Lowell Doerr
1:01 pm on Sunday, February 3, 2013
My dad was also the guy that hooked up the Christmas music that used to play in downtown Palmyra at Christmas time...we had it hooked up in the police station and it played through big horn speakers in the Borough Hall tower.
Dan Reynolds
4:24 pm on Saturday, February 2, 2013
Neat photos and history, thanks for sharing.
Cindy Pierson
7:56 pm on Saturday, February 2, 2013
I wrote a three part article for the Patch in November of 2011 that has a lot more pictures - don't know how to add a link to it, but you can find it in the search box above.
Mark
6:18 pm on Saturday, February 2, 2013
The Wine Cellar was originally supposed to be a movie theater (Prior to the addition). But there was a fire and the owners ended up selling the building in what is now the Wine Cellar to this day. The original owner just recently retired.
I also remember most of the places that have been mentioned as I was raised on the border of Palmyra/Cinnaminson. I have great memories of growing up in small town America. I remember my mother saying that when her and my father moved to Palmyra from K&A in Philadelphia in 1962, everyone thought they were moving to the country, and thought it to be ridiculous to have to pay a nickel to cross the bridge each day to go to work. Speaking of the bridge, I can remember it being free on Christmas and Easter days. I just saw the son of Littlewood Typewriters a few weeks ago while out shopping. He too is still local. There was also a penny candy store in the twin home on Cinnaminson Ave at the corner of Wallace St. An older woman ran it and would always give us kids a few extra pieces of candy each time we visited.
Thank you Cindy for taking what is typically a fuel charged blog page and turning it into something positive, if only for a few hours or days! I too could go on for pages and pages of the memories I have growing up here. I think this would be a great new forum for the Patch to adopt rather than always a story with a political edge to it.
FbS
7:11 pm on Saturday, February 2, 2013
wow, great stuff here folks.. I do remember a lot of it but back then we were visitors and did not live here yet.. Lowell- where did Larry Ferarri live on Cinnaminson ave? Which house? I loved him as a kid
Lowell Doerr
7:29 pm on Saturday, February 2, 2013
Frank, He lived in the block that the drug store was on about 3 houses down....Do you remember the building next to the little gas station behind palmyra Drugs Store?...In the 50's it was the post office...then later became a laundramat..(I met my wife there!)...Larry had quite a bit of money back in those days and I remember him buying one of the sample homes for Cinnamin Hill up on Cinnaminson Ave..for his mother . He had just brought her over from Italy and she spoke no English so he got her he sample house all ready to go!
Cindy Pierson
7:44 pm on Saturday, February 2, 2013
Ferrari had moved to Meetinghouse Rd before he passed away. Can anyone verify a rumor I heard that he donated a wurlitzer type organ to CHS? Even though I was an adult by the time I met him, I was still in awe from watching him on TV when I was a kid. That leads me to a sad bit of news - I just heard that Sally Starr passed away recently. I saw her in person at the Fox Theater in Willingboro at a Saturday matinee. Does anyone remember her occasional cowboy sidekick's name? I had forgotten Littlewood's Typewriters - I have kids at school who have never heard typewriter sounds, and don't know what they're listening to when they hear a recording of someone typing.(Remember IBM Selectrics being state of the art?) They also didn't recognize the sounds made by a rotary phone or the distinctive sound your modem made when you went on line with a dial up connection. My daughter remembers hearing "get off of the computer, I need to use the phone!"
Cindy Pierson
7:50 pm on Saturday, February 2, 2013
There was also a candy store on Broad St near Delaware Ave, and there was another "corner store" in East Riverton on Bannard, either at Read or Randolph. My great-great grandmother's twin sister, Sarah, married into the Bishop family - they had a plumbing business on S. Pompess, next door to where I live now. You can see the sign behind the twins in the picture I just added.
Lowell Doerr
11:40 am on Sunday, February 3, 2013
Cindy, I believe all the way up at the end of your street used to be a big concrete building right near the creek ( I think).....I worked for a small Riverton Company that almost bought that building but didn't and I've always wondered about that property...
Mark
9:00 pm on Saturday, February 2, 2013
I do remember the candy store at Delaware Ave and Broad st. I was never allowed to "cross the tracks" back then when I was a kid. But every Wednesday when my brothers and sister had to drag me to the firehouse for a hoagie, I would always make sure I had a dime or so left over to run there before we had to get back to Spring Garden St School. Prices were .50 cents for a half a hoagie and .10 for a cup of boost & $1.00 for a whole hoagie. I can still remember Bill Quigg's wife sitting at the card table collecting money and giving us a piece of paper to give to the ladies behind the counter. They still sell them on Wednesdays, but not as often and you have to order them ahead of time and the prices are a bit higher these days. Still one of the areas best hoagies around! Those ladies who have made them for years are like the rest of us. Getting older. :-)
Lowell Doerr
11:21 am on Sunday, February 3, 2013
The candy store on Broad and Delaware was Stone's candy store. He was (I believe) the retired Judge from one of the local towns...We called him Stony. The building right next door to Stoney's before you get to the Fire House used to be the home of Ted Rapp Pontiac before he moved to the new building on Rt. 130 that is now slated for demolition for a new shopping center.
Lowell Doerr
11:28 am on Sunday, February 3, 2013
The candy store on Cinnaminson Ave. right up the block from the Spring Garden Street School was called Nieble's...it was owned by an old German couple...the man was a real grouch most of the time. He would yell at us to hurry up when we were taking our time picking out ten different kinds of penny candy....for a dime.
...further up Cinnaminson Ave was May's Market (later to become Cook's market)...and on Cleveland Ave. was Beswick's Market
Lowell Doerr
11:31 am on Sunday, February 3, 2013
I got hit by a car running across Broad Street when I was 8 years old...One of my buddys (Steve Heller) was buying everybody a soda at Lincoln's Luncheonette...so without thinking or looking I ran right in front of a 1957 Ford doing about 30 MPH...hence, my first visit to Zurbrug Hospital and my first ambulance ride.
Mark
9:09 pm on Sunday, February 3, 2013
Lowell,
My parents bought the home and store. Beswick's Market was never re-opened. My mother tried to get the okay from the borough hall, but the ordnances had changed and she was not allowed to open it. So hence, it became a storage building until it burnt down I believe it was 1978 or 79. Late night fire, our neighbors saw it from their kitchen. My mother eventually had the buidling grazed. If I am correct, if you were to dig down in the back yard about 8-10 feet you will come across the antique meat case that went into the basement when it got knocked down.
FbS
9:28 pm on Saturday, February 2, 2013
Lowell- So Larry lived in Palmyra at one time? never knew that. Thought he was in Cinnaminson all the time. Interesting...
Cindy- Meetinghouse road sounds about where he would have lived:)
Thanks for the info!
Lowell Doerr
11:34 am on Sunday, February 3, 2013
Yes...I remember him moving out to Meetinghouse too.....I was shocked one time when we took a family trip to Roadside America in PA. to see the big model train display....and Larry was there, playing the big Hammond B3...with 2 Leslies!...what sound!
Lowell Doerr
11:37 am on Sunday, February 3, 2013
just curious...to you folks on this thread...did you attend Palmyra schools?
I graduated PHS in 1969 and lived on Morgan Ave all through school...still own the house...but I now live in Rolling Greens...Cinn City
John
12:11 pm on Sunday, February 3, 2013
Great stories, I have been in cinnaminson for a short while, its sad to see the things change for the worse, flooding, taxes, new schools and over assessed properties....I wonder who was doing the books back than, were they always a tax and spend government ---- Barons gas station has all black top now and when they say they are going to put in grass how are they going to do that, oh the roofing co. will do it, must be connected some how.....sorry to stop the historical society but reality comes in when people are facing floods and there house is gone...good luck
Lowell Doerr
12:57 pm on Sunday, February 3, 2013
I would think they will pull up the asphalt and do the landscaping in the spring....Oh yeah..Things will never be as simple as they were back then.....not with the way the world works today!
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John
1:23 pm on Sunday, February 3, 2013
Not trying to put a damper on this historical review but what were the taxes back than...What were the assessed values ( hope they were not over market prices) back than, When the schools were built what was the population and how could they not include replacement funds for schools....Just curious, I guess houses were built to last and schools were not....The simple life is no longer simple, sorry to say we are stuck with the NEW system...Oh yea, I can remember being DRAFTED IN THE ARMY for service in Vietnam...No parties for us....oh well times have changed
Barb Rivera
5:53 pm on Sunday, February 3, 2013
We have been in Cinnaminson since 2003. We purposely moved here for the Schools. From what many of you remember and have shared, Cinnaminson sounds like a great town to raise a Family. Well that's how I use to think and share about the town until WE have had to live through MAJOR Flooding.
John
7:17 pm on Sunday, February 3, 2013
@Barb, all because some people put ratables over family health....very poor judgement...not the simple life any more sorry to say....
Cindy Pierson
8:54 pm on Sunday, February 3, 2013
@John - check out the pictures that accompany this post. I included the tax bills for my house from 1947 and 1967 just for a chuckle. The population stats are available by looking up Cinnaminson on Wikipedia. @Lowell - I grew up in Beverly, so I only went to high school in Palmyra, but my aunts and uncles all lived in the house I live in now, and until they moved in with us, my grandparents lived in an apartment on Main Street in Riverton - so I spent alot of time around here as a kid. My Uncle Leonard graduated from PHS in 1941 and my mother (Phyllis Van Bibber) graduated in 1947 (She lived in the house at the end of my street that used to be a little gray bungalow). She was one of 21 Cinnaminson 8th graders in 1943. One of her teachers was Miss Rush, for whom the Eleanor Rush school is named, I had brothers graduate from Palmyra in 1968 (Terry Horton - sometimes went by Bob) and in 1971 (Barry), I was class of 1975.
Lowell Doerr
9:40 pm on Sunday, February 3, 2013
I remember Terry....He's in my class year book...Blond hair and glasses right? He graduated with my sister Alice.
Cindy Pierson
10:14 pm on Sunday, February 3, 2013
That's him - we were all cursed with the curly blond hair and glasses. As for the building at the end of my street, it's still there. When I was a kid, it was a commercial laundry, dumping suds right into the creek. Later it was owned by the Schaefer company, and now it's an environmental water testing lab - how's that for a turn around?
John
11:49 am on Monday, February 4, 2013
Oh boy I guess those were the GOOD OLD DAYS, Yes I remember gas at .299 wow I also remember the old cars which were simpler to work on, not today and not with taxes so high....I guess I should go back to school to learn the new math on assessments being over the market conditions and how the water can flood an area oh well, life is not so simple now....good luck tonight at the meeting....with Barb
Lowell Doerr
9:42 pm on Sunday, February 3, 2013
@John...back in those days Cinnaminson didn't even have a high school...OR most of the houses that cover the town now a days.
John
11:28 am on Monday, February 4, 2013
Wow, U mean to say that the schools did not exist back than, and now we have a tax bill of 60% for teachers and administration, I say lets bring back the horse and buggy and the heck with gasoline and cars....Now we are paying for improvements with flooding and new schools...the joke is on us....
Lowell Doerr
6:32 pm on Monday, February 4, 2013
No @John, I didn't say anything about "no schools existing"....I said Cinnaminson didn't have a high school....Then I said "OR most of the houses that cover the town now a days." Sorry if you didn't understand.
Cindy Pierson
10:06 pm on Monday, February 4, 2013
@Lowell - don't even bother responding to him. He's one of the only people who didn't get the spirit of this post. I remember the Christmas music downtown! That's what gave my dad the idea to put a record player on our front porch during the holidays. He would load it up with 10 or 15 45s, so that it would play for around half an hour at a time - and then he would send one of us kids out into the cold to reset it. Did your dad's store have someone who gave piano lessons? My oldest brother took lessons somewhere on Broad Street, but I was really small and the memory is fuzzy.
Montrell Swilliams
11:49 am on Monday, February 4, 2013
I reckon kids would be smarter these here days if we got rid of the schools!
Lowell Doerr
6:35 pm on Monday, February 4, 2013
huh?
Nick Fagan
2:33 pm on Monday, February 4, 2013
Lowell, you're Steve Heller wouldn't have happened to have a sister named Nancy by chance, would he?
Lowell Doerr
6:28 pm on Monday, February 4, 2013
Yes...he did....she was a cutie!...did you know the family?
Lowell Doerr
6:36 pm on Monday, February 4, 2013
There was also a little brother names Willie!
John
7:21 pm on Monday, February 4, 2013
@Lowell, I was looking at the tax bills above and they did not say anything about a school tax like todays 60%....Now they want to spend more money for either a new high school or improvements to the old one....someone back then paid a real low tax rate for living in town....All the houses built have cause flooding and we have to add the ratables like shop rite etc the list is endless and the zoning people let it go..
Nick Fagan
10:01 pm on Monday, February 4, 2013
Hahaha, I will have to tell my mom you thought she was a cutie ;) So, yes, I do indeed know the family. One of my cousins who still lives in the area told me that my uncle Steve had been brought up in a post here. Sadly, Steve passed away in 1980 when I was 10. We all still miss him very much. It's good to hear a story about him, however small.
Lowell Doerr
8:11 am on Tuesday, February 5, 2013
@Nick...Very cool!...you mom is Nancy Heller!!! wow I'd love to find out more about the Heller family as they moved away when we were teenagers.
Lowell Doerr
11:59 am on Tuesday, February 5, 2013
We also reciently post a picture of Steve when he was in a band I was also in...and someone also commented on how pretty your mom was!....
Lowell Doerr
12:00 pm on Tuesday, February 5, 2013
Steve was also in all my classes starting in kindergarten!,,,I have a picture (somewhere) of our kindergarten class...
Nick Fagan
1:15 pm on Tuesday, February 5, 2013
@Lowell, can I hit you up on facebook?
Mark
9:59 pm on Monday, February 4, 2013
@ John. Please do ALL of us a favor and keep the comments about the current state of the townships economy off of this thread. I do not think that Ms Piersons intentions were for anyone to go the route you are obviously trying to get them to go. I think that after tonights township meeting, there will be plenty of other stories for you to rip apart.
John
1:23 pm on Tuesday, February 5, 2013
@Mark, if U have read all the posts U would see that I am new to the area and the historical information is great to read about....I also looked at the tax records above and I am completely amazed at the rates in the 2 years posted....Its really sad that I was not born here, so the information is great to read about and other people have made comments also....not just me....thanks
Cindy Pierson
10:12 pm on Monday, February 4, 2013
Here's one some of you newcomers may not know about. Take a look at the municipal building in Palmyra. Mentally take away the additions on the building's left, and take out the lowest floor where the police station was. What you have left was the original Epworth Methodist Church - that's why the cemetary is behind it. One of the main reasons they moved was because of the train whistles interupting services.
Oh, and the Lutheran church at Broad and Highland was originally a bank! And the chiropractor on Cinnaminson Avenue was one of 3 Snover Funeral Homes.
Dan Reynolds
10:27 pm on Monday, February 4, 2013
Thats neat.. I always wondered about the graveyard...
Cindy Pierson
10:26 pm on Monday, February 4, 2013
The property where CHS and Rush School are located was once owned by Father Divine, a religious leader who was well known in the 30s, 40s and 50s.It is unknown whether he ever lived there, but his church had vast real estate holdings. He also owned the Divine Lorraine Hotel on North Broad Street in Philadelphia, one of the first integrated hotels in the country. Jim Jones, of the Peoples Temple, was one of his followers, and tried to take over the Father Divine's church after the pastor died in 1965 in Gladwyne, PA.